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Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jul 15, 2013.

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  1. Clonies720

    Clonies720 Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2012 Texas

    With the old search engine, I used to be able to delete my previous searches using the "Delete/Insert" key. Now all my old searches pop up and I cannot delete them. Anyone know if this is possible without wiping my cookies/cache/history/auto-fill?
  2. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    woohoo! now i can search for rubaeus without having to type those umlauts (æ/ü).
  3. Cascade77

    Cascade77 Initiate (0) May 14, 2009 Vermont

    Not a big fan but I'll give it a try. Seems like more work and less relevant results.
  4. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    That's exactly what it is.
  5. LopeJuice

    LopeJuice Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2012 New York

    from the standpoint of someone who has very little technical knowledge, the results of the new search format are confusing. Maybe I don't know how to use it to find exactly what I'm looking for just yet. Generally if there's a learning curve to use the search function you are really just discouraging anyone from using it that doesn't want to take the time to figure it out or are perhaps not so computer saavy. just my $.02 the old search was very straight forward and easy to use, this is a downgrade in user friendliness IMHO.
    Retail1LO, Fargrow, JulianC and 2 others like this.
  6. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    Type your query in the search bar and hit the "enter" key. It's the same as using Google if you're familiar with that. It's also the same as the old search technology as far as user friendliness goes. It may give different results but in my opinion the results are better.
  7. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Better how? Less results per page, less relevance initially, more work on our end to achieve relevance, still less results per page after relevance is achieved, more loading. I see no positives.
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  8. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    I didn't do extensive testing yet but with the old search engine 'Rubaeus' did not find any results. Now it does.
  9. LopeJuice

    LopeJuice Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2012 New York

    thanks for the snarky reply, but I was giving feedback to the site developers from a viewpoint I think is very relevant, not looking for a defense of the new search function. I'll have to check out this 'google' you speak of, sounds promising.
  10. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    It wasn't supposed to be snarky, you said you weren't technical. I agree that it's relevant but I was sharing my thoughts on the new one as well.
  11. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    So our biggest gain is being able to find Rubaeus? Wonderful!
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  12. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    You haven't given any concrete examples yet and your snarky response isn't useful. Look, sorry to break it to you but it's just a fact that Google does searching better than anyone else. That's why they are so successful. The BA search is impressive for a home grown solution but Google provides less maintenance and more efficient searching with better results- the choice is obvious. The only disadvantage is being subject to their decisions rather than being independent but the BA site devs obviously made the decision that it's worth it.
  13. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    View the first page of this thread. Also, view the second page of this thread.
    I'm a big boy and can find Rubaeus on my own. I don't need a complete overhaul of a great on-site search to find a new release.
    Again, I've said it at least twice, now: less results per page, more loading of secondary pages, less appointed results, must go through the entire extensive process after each search to perform my next search instead of just flow freely while I'm in the Forum, Beer, or Members section.
    Retail1LO, JackHorzempa and Sludgeman like this.
  14. beertunes

    beertunes Poo-Bah (4,951) Sep 24, 2007 Washington
    Beer Trader

    Admittedly, I'm tech challenged, and not a big user of google in general, I just did a few test drives, and I don't think I like it. I'll wait til I try it on my phone from the store, but this seems like you've gotta be much more detailed in your input. We'll see though.
  15. brees6221

    brees6221 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2009 Western Sahara

    My first impression isn't that great, and I use google for searches on a daily basis. Seems like lots of extra clicks and steps but I'll give it some time.
  16. tinypyramids

    tinypyramids Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2012 Illinois

    i really liked the pop up window that allowed me to quickly pare down what i wanted to search before i had to click on several other links to find what i want. appreciate the effort to try to unify search, but the extra clicking is kind of annoying.
  17. duceswild

    duceswild Meyvn (1,192) Feb 8, 2010 Maryland
    Beer Trader

    Is there anyway to eliminate beer reviews from the results when you select beers. Typically when I'm searching for a beer I'm going by the name of the beer and not the content that a user wrote during their review.

    For example when you search Flying Dog Pineapple (http://beeradvocate.com/search?q=flying+dog+pineapple) you do not receive any links to the beer one would expect (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/68/96567).

    Perhaps since it's a newly added beer Google hasn't crawled those pages...but it has been on the site since the 13th.
  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,458) Aug 23, 1996 California

    It currently shows up as the first result/link, but not when looking at Beers. We'll look into/fine tuning this.
  19. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Crusader (719) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    What was wrong with the hybrid version? Didn't we try this like a year ago and thus the move to the hybrid version?

    The BA search had its issues, but it was super efficient for some things, and had a much more usable interface. Google is certainly better for misspellings and vague searches, but I really liked the BA search for precise things. Once you get past the learning curve on the BA search, it works very well.
  20. Sammy

    Sammy Poo-Bah (12,280) Dec 1, 2003 Ontario (Canada)
    Beer Trader

    its a solid improvement. Keep up the good work!
  21. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Poo-Bah (1,789) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
    Premium Member Beer Trader

    From the homepage when I attempt a search I get nothing. Just a "search bar", but no results. Totally blank when I searched for "orval"
  22. fredmugs

    fredmugs Poo-Bah (1,537) Aug 11, 2012 Indiana
    Beer Trader

    Failed search = I can't type for shit. So far this looks like an improvement for me.
  23. APBTMarcel

    APBTMarcel Initiate (0) Oct 12, 2012 Missouri

    I don't like it at all. I used to use it all the damn time now it just is kind of annoying. Oh well though at least it was for a good reason. Can't win over everyone.
  24. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,805) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina
    Beer Trader

    New search engine is painful. Please change back. Makes finding threads very difficult.
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  25. RobertColianni

    RobertColianni Zealot (524) Nov 4, 2008 Pennsylvania

    I can't imagine that a "failed search" means anything more than the searcher had a typographical error.
  26. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (6,719) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
    Premium Member Beer Trader

    That is not exactly true - it failed if you did not input the correct characters for diacriticals and it also removed a number of common words from the English language from searching so would result in making some beers/breweries much more difficult to find.
  27. 67couple

    67couple Disciple (382) Jan 31, 2006 South Carolina
    Beer Trader

    Lost the ability to search in category; Beer, Place etc. Google search is intentionally broad. I liked the ability to search the BA content. I vote for the switch back. Thanks.
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  28. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,458) Aug 23, 1996 California

    From the original post:
    ... simply click the tabs (under the large search bar) when viewing the search results.
  29. phishphorce

    phishphorce Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2011 Pennsylvania

    The new search is freaking terrible. So inconvenient. Horrible change. That is all.
  30. backbaybrewer

    backbaybrewer Initiate (148) Feb 26, 2010 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Is there any way to set your preferred default results tab? For instance, 99% of my searching is to find a beer. It would be helpful if I could have my default search results be the "beer" tab rather than "all."

    So far I am not a big fan of this new search at all, but who knows, maybe it will grow on me. In the meantime, I think a default result preference would be a welcome option.
  31. Resuin

    Resuin Meyvn (1,292) Jun 18, 2012 Massachusetts
    Beer Trader

    Would it be possible to have the date listed for each post with the search results with the post title and brief summary of the post? (specifically, when I am searching by date). I like to know when these posts were made before I click them. If this is possible, I think it would help a lot. Cheers.
  32. jmichaelp

    jmichaelp Initiate (126) Jun 26, 2004 North Carolina

    I never had any problem with finding the beer review I wanted when using the previous search function. If I failed initially, no problem, the failure didn't bother me. Everything worked fine.

    My first reaction to this change is wow, I don't like this new search function at all. I might as well conduct my searches directly from Google, which is more convenient. If I search directly from Google, why go to the effort of putting in Beeradvocate and/or why limit myself to Beeradvocate reviews? I don't see this as a positive for users or the Beeradvocate site.
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  33. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    If the result Im looking for is the first result, I dont need more results per page.

    I am not a trader, so maybe it matters then, but I think the large majority of searches arent done by traders. And this seems to bring up the beer/brewery Im looking for first more often than the old search, but Ive done little testing.

    And that is how I measure the success of a search engine. Is the first result (or even the second, Im not picky) what Im looking for?
  34. Prospero

    Prospero Savant (953) Jul 27, 2010 Colorado
    Beer Trader

    The search should default to the area of site you are in. If you are in /forum/ the default search should be of the forum area.

    Also, I lost the ability to just search a subforum, instead now I have to filter of ALL the threads of a said beer instead of being able to search the regional forum, or just search the ISO:FT forum...

    If I used to be in Mountain region and searched, it searched that subforum, that was great.

    Just some thoughts of what I'd change and why the old search is better.
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  35. CassinoNorth

    CassinoNorth Disciple (304) Apr 5, 2013 New Jersey
    Beer Trader

    The only negative of this is trying to find beers in the trading forums. Other than that, makes it much more forgiving searching beers on the front page.
  36. Phaedra74

    Phaedra74 Initiate (111) Dec 4, 2010 Minnesota

    Doesn't work for me in Chrome. I checked, Java is enabled, and I have the latest version of it installed. I finally gave up and now I just go directly to Google and search "Beer Advocate [search term(s)]"
  37. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,458) Aug 23, 1996 California

    It doesn't use Java and is supported by the following browsers:


    You need to ensure that JavaScript is enabled.
  38. papaholmz

    papaholmz Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2012 South Carolina
    Beer Trader

    I hated it at first, but only because I had grown accustom to the old search feature and knew how to "navigate" it for my intended result.

    Learning something new for the first time is awlays a pain, but I'm starting to get use to the new search feature now and I'm finding that I like it more and more as I grow accustom to it.
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  39. smheath

    smheath Initiate (118) May 23, 2010 California

    It certainly seems to be easier to find a specific beer with this new search but, (a) I didn't think the old search was at all broken and (b) there does not seem to be a way to easily scroll through all the beers from a specific brewery without going through an excessive number of pages.
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  40. smheath

    smheath Initiate (118) May 23, 2010 California

    Oops, I just realized it's very simple to see all beers from a brewery - just click the brewery name below "Brewed By"
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