beginner questions

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  1. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    Hello, I am brand new to home brewing. Never brewed before but looking to give it a go. I am a HUGE lover of trilliums IPAs and will be looking to try and come close to cloning, DDH fort point, Congress St and DDH Melcher St.

    I have a couple opening questions.

    1. Hops. Are all hops pellets the same? Meaning are some brands better than others?
    2. Can you buy in bulk and store them for long periods of time or do you need to only purchase what you are brewing with and keep fresh?
    3. Kettles. I am really thinking of getting quality equipment right out of the gate, figure it will make it easier to get started and have a chance of making quality consistent beer. Any thoughts on Anvil vs Spike for kettles? I am close to pulling the trigger on the Anvil 10 gallon but wondering if there is any reason not to. I like that it is induction capable as I might go with a Avantco IC3500 Countertop Induction cooker so I can brew in doors year round.
    4. I assume the kettle needs to be completely sanitized as well as the other tools you use?

    Thanks, this is just the beginning of what I am sure will be a ton of questions.
     
  2. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    1. Not all hop pellets are the same, but I'm not enough of a hophead to be able to give you good advice.
    2. Yes, many homebrewers buy hops in bulk and then store the unused portion, but to preserve the hops as much as possible it would help to vacuum-seal them and keep them in the freezer.
    3. @VikeMan might have some helpful advice about induction brewing, I think he's at least looked into using induction to brew. Just make sure you have enough power to bring the wort to a boil in a reasonable amount of time. I have no experience with the brands of kettle you mentioned.
    4. No, if you are boiling your wort, then you don't need to sanitize anything that only touches the wort before or during the boil. The boil itself will sterilize the wort (for all practical purposes). If you use your kettle for anything post-boil (for instance, I use mine as a bottling bucket), then it must be sanitized for those applications. Also please bear in mind the distinction between cleaning and sanitizing. You must of course clean your kettle thoroughly.
     
  3. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    Ok thanks for the info on the hops and cleaning/sanitizing. From what I hear the Avantco is supposed to be able to bring a kettle up to speed pretty quickly. Worst case I can start on the stove. We have a gas stove was just hoping to avoid as I dont want to have overspill and ruin anything. Though I would think a 10 gallon kettle for a 5 gallon batch would help avoid that issue.
     
  4. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    I have one of the Avantco 3500 watt induction cooktops. I'm very happy with it. It's probably not as quick as the bigger propane burners but it's still quick, almost silent, doesn't cost a dime in propane, and I can brew indoors with no worries about carbon monoxide. Keep in mind it is 240 volt and requires a dedicated 20 amp circuit with a NEMA 6-20R receptacle. If you don't know what that means you may need help with the electrical end of things.
    I use a SS Brewing 10 gallon kettle on it with no issues. When I was looking at kettles the Anvil seemed just ok. The Spike seems very nice but more than I was willing to spend.
     
  5. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    I would pull the trigger on a 15 gallon brew kettle if you are 100% serious about getting into it. It is nice to find a recipe and routine that you are consistantly getting good results, and brew a larger batch.

    Devils advocate - You could always sell a quality stainless kettle to someone else in the hobby for a decent price, and put off the initial investment a while. Also another point, everything is relative. I have lots of friends that come over and drink our beer, 5 gallons goes quick. But when it was just my brew buddy and I, 5 gallons lasted a long time...

    Regardless, welcome to the hobby!
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I did look into it, but didn't pull the trigger. The electrician wanted too much (IMO) to run the 240V high amp circuit to where I wanted it. But the one thing I learned in researching it was to forget about even attempting to use a 120V burner for 5 gallon batches. So for @marjen: make sure you have the required electrical setup.
     
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  7. Teton

    Teton Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2013 Colorado

    I'd recommend starting with a tried and true recipe for the first few beers before jumping into a trillium clone right away. My first few beers were very hoppy clone recipes and I struggled with the all of the hops and how to properly add them. I lost lots of volume due to hops and trub in the kettle. My siphon got stuck due to all the dry hops. I was constantly exposing the beer to oxygen as I struggled to figure out how to take gravity reading or how to rack.

    In the end I've figured out how to deal with a lot of this stuff, but making really good hoppy beers requires that you learn a lot of tricks, and those first few you'll be getting the basics down before graduating to the more advanced stuff. If I had to do it over I'd wish I started with something that used a few less valuable hops and something that still tasted good with all the mistakes I made. By beer 3 or 4 you'll be able to deal with hops, minimize oxygen exposure, and how to keg.
     
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  8. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    I will check the basement to see what I have down there. Worse case my dad is an electrician so I could have have set me up when they come down in a few months. Could use the stove in the mean time.

    15 gallon? I don't see myself brewing more than 5 gallon batches so figure I get a 10 gallon should be good. I also figured buying a quality stainless kettle makes sense as I figured I could sell it at a decent enough price if I don't have good luck in this hobby.
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    It sounds like you are doing some great research into what equipment to purchase, and that's good, but it's not really the equipment that makes good beer... it's the brewing process that is the key. As recommended above, brew some easy recipes first so that you can get your process in good shape as well as getting used to your equipment. I'm surprised that no one has mentioned yet that reading John Palmer's HowToBrew.com is highly recommended. It is free to read online, and the later edition of the book is only around $15 in good bookstores or online. That gives you something in which you can write notes, use highlighters, etc.

    Also, once you have selected your kettle, and if you are still in a position that you need to brew on your gas stove, try heating 6-7 gallons of water as a practice run to see how long it takes to come to a boil. (The extra water allows for some boil-off so that you end up at 5 gallons after a 1-hour boil, thus you need to use that much water for this experiment even though it is a practice run. And then let it boil for an hour before chilling it to measure and calculate how much water actually was lost to the air so you'll know how much water to use for the real boil.) The length of time of the practice run could test your patience, but patience is a great virtue to have when brewing. If it takes too long, you'll need to look into doing a partial boil for your brewing sessions, and a partial boil is not the ideal process for making hoppy beers.
     
  10. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    Thanks for the advise. I understand the process is extremely important and is the sanitation and cleaning process. So my goal is to try and start with equipment that can hopefully help make the process more consistent and make the sanitation process easier so I hopefully dont have any contamination issues. Thats a big concern of mine. I would also like to purchase equipment I can grow a bit with so it hopefully lasts a long time.

    I have read how to brew before and watched a bunch of online videos showing the process to try and understand things as much as possible before i start. I also took a how to brew class from a local brew supply shop. This is something I have been looking into for months but have been afraid to jump into.

    With regards to my selection of beer to brew, I am at the point where that style of beer is what I am really interested in drinking, not sure I want to just go through the effort of brewing a more generic brew if I am not going to be crazy about the results. Maybe brewing some smaller batches (2.5 to 3 gallons) would be better to work on the process and not waste as much product? Then I can ramp up to 5 gallon batches?
     
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  11. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    I was just saying that I have tried brewing more than a 5 gallon batch in a 10 gallon pot many times. Whenever I turn around to grab my beer or put new music on, the pot boils over :slight_smile:
     
  12. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    Thinking about maybe a 15 gallon kettle now. Thanks for the advise all, I would have gone with a 5 gallon before this post.

    Making a list of what i need to get started, does this look right:
    1. Kettle
    2. Fermentor container (SS or plastic or glass)
    3. bottles, capper, caps
    4. Star San
    5. Big spoon
    6. Thermometer
    7. burner
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    How do you plan on cooling your wort?

    Cheers!
     
  14. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    I figure filling a sink with ice and putting the kettle in there? Is that the best way? Or is it worth getting some kind of cooling device?
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you have a HUGE sink?
    Most folks use either a wort chiller or a plate chiller.

    Cheers!
     
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  16. Hopfan74

    Hopfan74 Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2017 Minnesota

    Trust me an immersion chiller is the best 60 dollars or so that you will ever spend. much quicker and in the end cheaper because you don't need to keep buying a ton of ice.
     
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  17. marjen

    marjen Aspirant (274) Jun 24, 2015 Connecticut

    #17 marjen, Feb 9, 2017
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you go the immersion chiller route just place it in the kettle towards the end of boil and the boiling wort will sanitize it.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    From my experience, sanitation is easiest/fastest with basic equipment...such as a kettle with no penetrations, immersion chiller, and a brewer :slight_smile: that cleans promptly, and uses a quality no rinse sanitizer.
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You need a hydrometer at the #3 position on your list. :wink:
     
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