Belgian Beer Gushing

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by humuloner22, Jan 6, 2015.

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  1. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    I will preface this by saying I looked but could not find a definitive answer to what I am looking for and apologize if this thread has been opened somewhere else. I recently have been into Belgian Beers. I have opened several different styles and they have all gushed out of the bottle like geysers. I have drank thousands of beers and this seems to be particular to Belgians from what I have seen. I have never had anything like this happen before and then all of a sudden its happened several times and it has been a Belgian beer every time.

    So here goes! they were cold but not ice cold, I had them at about 40-50 degrees before opening them, but when I pulled off the top the foam just exploded out of the bottle. 1) What caused this (I assume active yeast, bottle conditioning, etc.)? 2) What the hell can I do to prevent this from happening in the future. I have three really good sours and quads and I don't want to lose the beer to explosion. Thanks!
     
  2. BurgeoningBrewhead

    BurgeoningBrewhead Initiate (0) Jul 18, 2012 Pennsylvania

    I always open any corked beer with the bottle sitting in a bowl so I don't waste beer if it overflows...I've had some corks pop pretty loud, but only had a few overflow, and they were all belgian styles. I'm not really sure what can be done to prevent it, other than perhaps opening them at a colder temperature and letting them warm up before drinking?
     
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  3. Jsimo01

    Jsimo01 Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2011 California

    Belgians across all styles are more highly carbed. If they were beers with Brett in them your chances are quite high
     
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  4. PaulyB83

    PaulyB83 Maven (1,399) Sep 1, 2013 Michigan

    Were these bottles corked and did you keep the bottle stationary while pulling off the cork with a gentle twisting motion? I could see how a violent uncorking could shake the bottle enough to make it gush, kinda like champagne.
     
  5. mactrail

    mactrail Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,999) Mar 24, 2009 Washington
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    I do seem to find the bottled Belgians are often big foamers. The older the bottle and the less ideal storage makes it worse, I suspect. It has been enough to make me swear off Belgians in the US, but usually not for long.
     
  6. gueuzedreg

    gueuzedreg Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2013 Colorado
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    Are you letting them sit for a few days before opening?
     
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  7. Buschyfor3

    Buschyfor3 Savant (1,083) Jan 4, 2009 Kentucky

    I once had a bottle of Houblon Chouffe gush mightily on me. A biblical, geyser-like column of foam that came forth. FWIW, it had been chilled, the bottle had been stored upright prior to opening, and the cork was removed gently (it didn't pop out with any great force), so I'm not really sure what caused it other than to say it's just a characteristic/caveat that comes with the style.
     
  8. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    Neither had corks, both caps. Both had sat for at least a month. One I just pried like I would normally with any beer and it basically exploded all over the kitchen and wasted pretty much the entire beer (pissed me off) The other I was more careful with and it did the same thing, although not as violent as the first one. The first one was a Duvel the other was St. Bernardus, if that helps.
     
  9. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    I have an Abt. 12, Westy 12 and Rochefort 10 that I was planning on opening and I did not want this to happen with them. Especially the Westy, since I traded for it and it is the only one I have access to. I have had them for over a month now as well. I was just trying to figure out the appropriate way of opening them. I also have a few Belgian sours, I have some concerns about as well, now that I have had the two gushers.
     
  10. Relik

    Relik Zealot (603) Apr 20, 2011 Canada (NS)

    sounds like you might just had a string of bad bottles.
    As for what causes this:
    • depending on the style belgian beers are typically in the upper levels of carbonation more yeast and sugar used to bottle condition.
    • depending on the temp of beer ( the colder the beer ) the higher amount of dissolved CO2
    • possible wild yeast infection (depending on style it might be hard to tell, taste remaining beer and cross reference with other reviews if they don't match up this might be your issue.
    • incomplete ferment (least likely)
    As for how to prevent in my opinion:
    • chill you beer for a day let it absorb the CO2 that the yeast worked so hard to make.
    • open carefully, 45degrees is ideal for corked and caged as the gas helps push the cork out as you twist but crown caps just go straight up and down and pry off
    • if it is an infection not much can be done
    • incomplete ferment is also not much can be done ( you didn't brew it)
     
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  11. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina


    Thanks for the information! I saw several threads regarding homebrewing and how to prevent this. But I had no idea what could prevent a commercially bottled beer from doing this. I hope you are right about the bad bottles. As a matter of fact I bought both of the questionable bottles at the same store. So it might have been the storage conditions prior to my purchasing the beers. The other ones I have came from different locations. So we shall see!
     
  12. Canada_Dan

    Canada_Dan Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Colorado

    A lot of this has to do with the transportation of these beers from Belgium I would imagine. We like to think that all beer is packed well and temperature controlled when being shipped but this isn't the reality. The temperature in ocean containers can get pretty warm even when extra precautions are taken such as adding insulation. Higher temperatures lead to more active yeast causing secondary fermentation and excess carbonation.
     
  13. Uniobrew31

    Uniobrew31 Pooh-Bah (1,567) Jan 16, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Had this happen a very few times. In my experience it usually happens within a day or two of chilling. Best I can tell it is wise to let them get "comfortable" for a few days at serving temp and then cross your fingers and pop the cork!
     
  14. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Sometimes it just happens, but I've found that storing them on their side makes it far more likely. I tend to try and store anything with live yeast upright for at least a day before opening. Beyond that, slow and steady and twisting the cork helps a lot.
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I think it's unlikely both bottles were infected. Since you bought them from the same store, my guess is they were stored hot enough to release a lot of the CO2 from the beer into the neck. If you refrigerate them for a week at 34F, the CO2 will get back into the beer where it belongs. If you get a gusher after a week in the fridge, the beer is likely infected, but still could be drinkable. Duvel is highly carbonated, but it shouldn't be a gusher.
     
  16. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I would let them sit in your fridge for a week or so to let the yeast settle down a bit and rest at the bottom of the bottle. From what previous posters have said, warmer temperatures get the yeast active, and if they were jostled around a lot that can have something to do with it. I've had gushers with quite a few belgian beers, and yea... it sucks. Alvinne's Podge Belgian Imperial Stout was the worst. I lost almost 2/3 of the bottle due to gushing, and it got all over the couch and carpet.
     
  17. Saind

    Saind Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2014 Netherlands

    A lot of Alvinne's beers will do that. I have opened a lot of Morpheus tripels and about half of them have been gushers, while the other half was almost flat.
     
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  18. KendallKid

    KendallKid Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2014 New York

    Not for anything but doesnt have to be a true Belgian to be a gusher... Belgian styles seem to come forth with the ease.. Rayon Vert comes to mind and Allagash Trippel
    Whether or not it is the Méthode Champenoise invvolved I cant say..
    Just have to have a glass ready or open over the sink as gentily as possible
     
  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Belgian styles and German Hefs. usually foam up more than other styles. Opening the top while still very cold vs. warm usually helps both with gushing from bottle as well as making the glass pour without being 100% head and waiting forever to drink it.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As has already been discussed it is common for Belgian Abby Ales to be very highly carbonated.

    Some suggested strategies to @humuloner22:

    · Cold beer (e.g., 40°F) will retain more CO2 in solution (it’s a physics thing), Maybe chill your Belgian beers down further to hold more CO2 in solution and permit the beer to warm up in your BIG glass before drinking

    · Open your bottles right next to the sink with your BIG glass in the sink. After popping the cap quickly pour the gushing beer slowly down the sides of the BIG glass.

    · Pre-wet the BIG glass with water. This reduces nucleation sites on the side of the glass and manages the foam better.

    And most importantly, keep drinking those delicious Belgian Ales!!

    Cheers!
     
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