Belgian Beer Gushing

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  1. MooseBoose

    MooseBoose Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2007 Wisconsin

    I thought this post was going to be gushing about how great Belgian styles were, and I came prepared to add to the gushing!!
     
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  2. Stinky-Dinkins

    Stinky-Dinkins Devotee (389) Feb 5, 2013 Wisconsin

    You need to fully chill them (fridge temp, like around 35 or so). Belgian styles, especially Quads, will foam over very quickly if they're not chilled enough and the yeast hasn't been given enough time to settle in that cold temp. I've never had a full-on geyser scenario, but I've had plenty that will foam over and run down the side of the bottle literally a few seconds after opening if they're too warm when I pop them. If you like them at that temp, chill them well (and let them sit undisturbed upright in that temp for a few days), pop and pour them, and then let them warm up in the glass for a bit. It has absolutely nothing to do with the bottles being infected - it's just the nature of the beast. I have 16 Westy's right now myself just waiting to be drank (10 12's, 3 8's and 3 Blonds) and when I bring the 12's up from the cellar I pop them in the fridge (temps this low virtually halt the aging process), let them chill out in there for a few days, and then pop them when they're cold and let them breathe in the glass for a few minutes before drinking.
     
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  3. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Yea, I'm a big fan of their Morpheus house strain, but it seems to be pretty unpredictable. Alvinne Undressed was one of the better Oud Bruin styles I've tried.
     
  4. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    There are a couple of potential causes:

    Barley harvested during wet conditions is subject to Fusarium fungi and it will gush and gush regardless of temperature or shaking. I have had them gush for up to an hour and I have had this problem more with Belgians and Belgian style beer than other styles. This is a kind of long slow gushing and is especially irritating to wait an hour as your $20 bomber empties half its content into the sink and they all you get out of it is one lousy glass. I suspect the Fusarium takes a while to develop and if you drink the stuff very fresh it is more likely to behave. Stay away from the years 2000, 2006, 2007, 2010, 2011, and 2012 because I have heard they had wet harvests.

    Purveyors of antique beer are especially fond of Belgians because people like you and I tend to buy them no matter what and we often can not decipher the best buy date without rigorous research. Belgian beers have more funkier yeast strains and Brettanomyces in particular will continue eating any long chain sugars that normal beer yeast won't touch for years and years. As the bottles age - especially sitting on a warm store shelf - they will become more explosive. In this case anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of your bottle will eject very rapidly and then you will be able to have enough out of your 750 ml bottle to at least imagine what it might have tasted like 3 or 4 years ago when the brewer intended you to drink it.

    Wild yeasts going nuts is especially a problem with lambics and I talked with one importer who wouldn't touch the stuff a few years ago, especially some of the more cult brands such as Cantillon because too many of the bottles exploded in the warehouse. Had he refrigerated his warehouse he probably would have avoided this problem.

    Advice: 1) buy the stuff as fresh as possible and then store it in a cool cellar. Americans write date MM/DD/YY. Europeans do it DD/MM/YY so 22 01 11 is January 22 2011. Patrick Dawson's book on Vintage Beer has some good advice on figuring out date codes. 2) buy the stuff from a retailer who keeps it refrigerated, 3) buy beer from a reputable retailer who is not selling antiques, and 4) always open the bottles in the sink.

    I don't know about other people but I have had less trouble with trappist beers than I have with some of the smaller, more obscure Belgian breweries.
     
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  5. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    PS - another way to avoid the gushing problems is to buy North American interpretations of Belgian ales - Ommegang, Unibroue, the Bruery, Lost Abbey, Jolly Pumpkin, Ale Smith, Allagash, Boulevard and a ton of others all do a very good job with Belgian style ales and I have never had any of these turn into Mount Vesuvious.
     
  6. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina


    I agree with you 100%, but I can't limit myself to just trying interpretations when I want to try the originals. I have never had this problem before with American Belgian style ales. Actually I have not had this happen before with other Belgian beers like Chimay. But, for some reason these two exploded. The Duvel was the worst I popped the cap and it basically foamed all over my kitchen and I could not stop it. It was like a vigorously shaken bottle of Champagne. The problem was I had this beer since probably the end of October, it had been kept at cool temperatures for the time I have owned it. I did not refrigerate it for all that time. But I have a very cool cellar that stays dry and around 50 degrees year round. I refrigerated both of them a day before, and they both blew. The St. Bernardus Christmas was not nearly as bad, but it did foam a decent amount of the beer once I opened it. Also, they were both purchased at the same time same store and they have always been kept upright while in my possession. I suppose in the future I will refrigerate them upright for longer to see if that helps.
     
  7. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina

    Both had caps, I could see how a corked beer might have an issue but prying off a cap has limited options. I was very careful and slow with the St. Bernardus and it still gushed, although not as bad! But good advice nonetheless! Cheers!
     
  8. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My St. Bernardus Abt 12, 12oz bottles my brother and I popped over the holidays were gushers. If you pour them into a glass fast enough it prevents overflow.
     
  9. Dogtirednj

    Dogtirednj Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2014 Pennsylvania

    The bartender in me cries everytime I hear about a "gusher". I have always opened my corked beers as I do a bottle of champagne. Never lost a drop. Try this. Please.
    http://www.chiff.com/a/open-champagne.htm
     
  10. chrunck

    chrunck Devotee (329) Jun 12, 2013 New Mexico

    I always always always have a glass ready whenever I open a beer due to unpredictable gushers. Goose Island Sofie and Odell Celastrina are 2 that gush on me every time, but I've had lots of others that seem to depend on the batch. I just pop as fast as I can and get a glass in hand as quickly as possible just in case.

    I wouldn't worry too much about your belgian sours. I don't think I've ever had a sour gush on me, as they're generally not carbonated as much.
     
  11. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    I have never had gushing problems with Duvel or St. Bernardus. Check the dates on the bottles and try a different retailer. Duvel has best by date codes, especially the little 4 packs. On the 4 packs a best by date is on the carton while on the 750 ml bottles it is printed on the label. If one of the beers in a 4 pack blows up on you, you can at least take the other 3 back for a refund. I have also had luck taking pictures of the gushing beer and returning to the retailer and getting a refund. Duvel should be able to handle some age but I prefer it as fresh as possible. It can be pretty foamy with the head taking up the top half of the glass but it shouldn't fill up your sink. Duvel Moortgat owns Ommegang and bought Boulevard in 2013 and they have done a good job tweaking and fine tuning the beer. St. Bernardus also uses a best by date printed DD/MM/YY and the best by date is 5 years from the bottling date. The St. Bernardus Christmas ale ages well and is quite nice up to about 4 years and then it starts slowly diminishing. I still like it at five but after that its worthless. Westmalle does not age as well as Chimay or even Rochefort. I have some Orval in my basement that is over 8 years old that is just incredible and still continues to improve. Hope this helps.

    Duvel has just opened a pub on the Grote Markt (Grand Place) in Brussels. You could just go there and avoid all these problems......
     
  12. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No cork here.
    And I'm not sure how long St Bernardus has been doing the small bottle format but this was the first time I had ever seen it. First two of the 4 pack had to be rushed to the sink, the second two were poured very fast like this.
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  13. Phil

    Phil Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2008 New York

    Just for the record Duvel doesn't tweak or fine tune our beers here at Ommegang. They give us feedback and they are involved in Capital Projects to improve our process but all beer development and process/formula changes (based on sensory/lab analysis) is done here locally in Cooperstown, New York.

    Thanks,
    Phil Leinhart
    Brewmaster
    Brewery Ommegang
     
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  14. koplamp

    koplamp Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2014 Belgium


    This indeed is a big problem. Couple of weeks ago I came across an article with a Belgian brewmaster who complained about quality loss, difference in taste etc due to transportation. I'll see if I can find it, was in Dutch though
     
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  15. Canada_Dan

    Canada_Dan Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Colorado

    I would be curious to see that if you can find it. I will be in the Netherlands all next week and will certainly be bringing back some Belgian beers in the controlled environment of my suitcase :wink:
     
  16. gibgink

    gibgink Pooh-Bah (1,581) Oct 27, 2014 Missouri
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    Best "aw snap" ever! Respect levels for Ommegang have now increased substantially.
     
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  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    @humuloner22 This happened to me last weekend with a bottle of Achel 8. It was a cap, no cork.

    I had the bottle at room temp for a week, then popped it in the fridge for an hour or two before opening. My first Belgian beer ever that has gushed and I've been drinking them for over ten years now. Luckily I quickly put my mouth on the bottle, and sort of "sealed" the bottle until I could get my glass.

    Somehow I lost none of us, and also managed to slow pour it without disturbing the yeast sediment. The beer was delicious.

    Anyways, I found your thread interesting because of my similar experience last week. Lots of great information in this thread too for next time! Thanks to the contributors!
     
  18. humuloner22

    humuloner22 Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 North Carolina


    Yeah they were both pretty fresh I can't remember the exact date on the St. Bernardus but it was several years down the road like 2018 I believe and the Duvel I purchased a 4 pack and just looked at one and it was best by 01/16. The retailer was a large chain that sells all over the country. Although, I have resolved to shop more locally from now on. Those guys tend to look after you anyway. I bought the Duvel more or less for the glass that it came with and the price was right. I picked up the Christmas ale at the same time because it was sitting right next to the Duvel. They were not refrigerated and were sitting on an end cap, so what they did prior to my purchase might have been the issue. They were all the small bottles that come in four packs, I believe they were 11.2 oz. It would be nice to be able to go to Brussels and buy my beer, but I have monetary issues that prevent me from hopping in my jet to go beer shopping anytime I want. Haha!
     
  19. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    I have bought many a Duvel Pack to get one of their glasses. I have had problems with large chain retailers and small mom and pop shops. The small shops replace the beer if it is bad and know my name. Too often the bigger guys don't care.
     
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  20. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

    Well *I* have. I've never had a Belgian gusher, but have had several from Jolly Pumpkin -- also capped rather than corked. In fact, my last Noel de Calabaza kept slowly spewing foam even after I had poured out half into glasses.

    This is still not enough to dissuade me from buying them. Good beer.
     
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