Belgian Pale Ale

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  1. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Thinking about brewing a Belgian Pale Ale w/ Brett. Lambicus,
    but I Need suggestions on grains to use.

    I'm doing martial mash with w/ Pilsen Extra Light DME.
     
  2. Wolfsdenbrew

    Wolfsdenbrew Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2004 New Mexico

    I would just add some caravienne for a simple BPA.
     
  3. oach

    oach Crusader (447) Jul 8, 2009 Illinois
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    You want to keep your "sugary" malts to a minimum but you can use caravienne as Wolfsdenbrew suggested or carramunich - I wouldn't use more than a half pound of these malts, if that. You can also use Munich, Aromatic, Wheat, etc. Like most Belgians a simple grain bill will let the yeast shine through (as long as you pitch correctly and temperature is right).
     
  4. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Thanks for the input ya'll.
    With a six gallon batch (2.5 gallon wort) I should only use 1/2 a pound or less?

    Also, I have only worked w/ Brett Brux., should I make a starter for this liquid yeast?
    Or can I pitch directly into 70* wort?

    From research I've gathered that an extended secondary is recommended (at least 3 months)
    Is this true?
     
  5. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Also...Candi Sugar?
     
  6. axeman9182

    axeman9182 Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2009 New Jersey

    My impression is that the clear candi sugar (which I'm assuming is what you'd use) is a bit of a waste of money, and you're just as well off using table sugar.
     
  7. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    This is very good to know, thank you sir.
     
  8. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    It is a waste of money. If you want to replace extract with sugar, go with the cheapest you can find. It doesn't matter.

    A Belgian pale ale, even using Brett, needs little more than pilsner malt, noble hops, and a Belgian yeast strain. You could go with 5% or less Munich, Aromatic, or similar. I would consider a little wheat, if anything. I find the 1# wheat DME container from Austin Homebrew to be very convenient for this.

    Your BPA +Brett sounds tasty.
     
  9. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    my recipe, which has been fermenting for 1 month with bret brux and cantillon dregs added after primary slowed down/finished:

    Grains: 10.4 lbs Pilsner malt

    Hops
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    1.00 oz. German hallertauer (Pellet 6.2 % AA) @ 60 min.
    1.00 oz. German hallertauer (Pellet 6.2 % AA) @ 5 min.
    Others:
    1.75 cups Corn Sugar @ 10 min
    servomyces 1 capsule @ 10 Min.
    1.00 Whirlfloc @ 8 Min.
    Yeast: abbey ale yeast wlp530 (white labs)
    Secondary yeast: Brett bruxellensis WLP650
    Mash temp: 155 F
    Sparge temp: 168 F
    Boil time: 60 min

    OG: 1.054
    Gravity when i added brux: 1.008

    smelled amazing. developed a nice pellicle which stayed for 3-4 weeks. now, its pretty clear. other than smelling it, i don't touch a thing in it. i won't check the gravity for another 2 months (no point, in my opinion)
     
  10. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    I'm assuming you aren't intending a 100% brett fermentation and will be pitching brett in the secondary or doing a mixed fermentation from the start. Is this the case or were you planning 100% brett? If the former, I wouldn't add any sugar in order to leave more for the brett. Unless you feel that the extracts you are using aren't very fermentable. What are your OG and FG targets? This sounds like it will be a tasty brew.
     
  11. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    I'm thinking of doing 100% Brett considering I have another Vial
    of Brett Brux. that I could use in secondary, after primary of Brett Lambicus is complete.

    But I'm completely OK with not adding any sugar, Candi or Otherwise.

    Also, was thinking of racking off 2 of said 6 gallons
    onto a Champagne yeast starter. I have read that it
    can kick start the yeast.
     
  12. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    In that case adding sugar may help you get to the attenuation you would want.
     
  13. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    you may want to snoop around. from what i understand, you'll need at least 2 vials of Bret Lambicus for primary (maybe three?). for 2ndary, 1 vial is fine. for primary, you either need one hell of a made-in-advance starter or go for multiple vials.
     
  14. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    What is the reasoning for using multiple vials in primary?
    I could totally make a big starter with Brett brux. & brett Lamb.,
    but only if they'll work together.
     
  15. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I would make a big starter (lager rates) Brett L from WY will give you lots of nice fruity esters when pitched like this, and an ever so slight hint of tartness as well.

    I havent done it with a Belgian pale, but Ive done it with a malty brown base and it turned out great. My suggestion would be to keep the OG fairly low (1045ish) higher Grav brett beers seem to need much more time to come together. Ive also found that a tiny bit of acid can really help the fruity flavors of L to really pop, so you might taste a bit before bottling/kegging and add a pinch of citric acid to see what you think. It shouldnt be sour though, its akin to adding acid to a flabby wine, it helps the flavors to pop

    For grains I would suggest adding some unmalted wheat to give yourself some body and creaminess to mesh with the brett
     
  16. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Thanks man! ^
    would you post lager starter recipe?
     
  17. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    For a lager starter I would simply use the Mr Malty yeast pitch rate calculator, plug in your OG, yeast date and what type of starter you will use. I know that program is assuming regular smack pack cell counts, hence why you use lager pitch rate (grows up cell #'s adequately)

    Good luck and let us all know how the beer turns out.

    One last thing to note is that with a high pitch rate the beer should ferment out to completion in about 2-3wks, and be ready to go
     
  18. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    when using bretts as the primary, do you have to worry about the FG?
     
  19. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    They generally perform like sacch when they are the lone yeast. The FG is usually in the normal sacch range with 70-80% attenuation usual. Long term your likely to maybe have 1pt come off, but we are talking 1yr+

    Ive had several all brett beers I brewed like this and carbonation is fairly stable, I think though if I could taste a bottle from when they were fresh (2mos old) vs aged (2yrs old) its likely that it would be a bit more noticeable, but its not really something to worry about as far as bottle bombs (doest superattenuate with pedio/lacto/etc)
     
  20. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    Well I made my big ol' starter last night so we'll see how it goes.

    So lets see...
    ~Caravienne or Caramunich or Unmalted Wheat (in small amounts<1 lb)
    ~Candi sugar is out (waste of money) but I can Add sugars during boil for better Attenuation.
    ~2-3 week primary
    ~3 month secondary
    ~Champagne Yeast is okay
    missing anything here?

    For my secondary I really want to just use orval dregs.
    Will I need to prime the batch whenever secondary is done.
     
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