Belgian Pale Ale

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  1. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Are you using Lambicu or Orval dregs? or Both?

    No need for champagne yeast, plenty of yeast in suspension, and you can rouse the cake a bit if your worried
     
  2. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    why not use both orval dregs and B Lamb?

    check your primary. make sure the gravity is below 1.01 before adding brett or else you'll be waiting more than 3 months.
    100 day rule is what most brett people use for secondaries.
     
  3. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    OK!
    Started the brewing process on Sunday, after
    allowing the Brett starter I made friday (DME+water+lemon juice+yeast)
    to grow. Keep in mind I wasn't going traditional. Here's all the details:

    Yield: 6 gallons
    Wort: 3.5 gallons
    Time: 70 minutes [60 minutes between 140* & 150* with a 10 minute flameout on the burner]
    Yeast: Brett. Lambicus & Brett. Bruxellensis together after 2 days in a starter

    *3lbs Pilsen Light DME (~70)
    *1 cup Corn Sugar (~65)
    *1/4lb Vienna, milled (~60)
    *1/2lb Red Wheat, milled (~60) [I wanted Wheat, but my brewing partner who was in charge of picking up grains claimed this would be better]
    *1/4lb Rolled Oats (~20) [added for head retention & just to give the Brett a little more to eat. Not sure how well it'll turn out, but I liked how my Saison w/ oats turned out]

    100% Whole Leaf Citra @
    *1/2oz ~60
    *1/4oz ~35
    *1oz ~20

    Original Gravity Came out to 1.050

    Will be fermenting two weeks @ 70*

    Already is smelling like cherry pie!

    cheers & thanks for everyones help. I will keep you posted.
     
  4. JimmyTango

    JimmyTango Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2011 California

    Citra and Brett sounds soooooooo tasty :slight_smile:
     
  5. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    I do not understand your beer and recipe at all... Did you boil? Did you mash (and with what you have no enzymatic potential, except maybe the Vienna)

    Why Citra at 35?
     
  6. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    I thought you were supposed to boil oats to gelatinize the starch.
     
  7. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    I brought it to just under a boil, let it ride for 60, then mashed at flameout.

    I'm not sure why I thought that second addition of citra in the middle was necessary.
     
  8. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany


    I am still pretty unclear about what you did. So it sounds like you heated your DME to just under boiling, held it at just under boiling for 60 minutes with your hop additions and then turned off the flame and added your mini-mash grains? If so, that is not a great way to do it. At that temperature you are going to denature your enzymes before they are useful. And as mentioned your enzyme potential was low for your grain bill to begin with. Also, you will want to boil the liquor you collect from the mash.

    What do the numbers after your grains/extract/sugar mean? Thanks.
     
  9. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Im not really sure what your doing either....

    To mash grains you take them and add water to get them to ~150-160F, let them sit for ~60min, then drain the sweet wort from them and rinse with hot water. Using what you have rinsed from the grains you begin the boil, you then boil for ~60min with your hops. Grains should not go into the boil, especially barley because it has husks which will leach tannins

    Im also unsure why you decided to add lemon juice to your brett starter, you dont need to lower the pH for brett, it does just fine on its own, AND the pH of wort is slightly acidic to begin with. A brett starter made Friday is not going to be ready for brewing on Sunday, the packs have very low cell counts, and should be built up to lager rates
     
  10. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    What I did after I drained the wort was collect my grain bags, & sprayed warm water
    through them over to get all the liquor out. I used the liquid retrieved from that for my wort that I pitched the starter into, along with what I boiled out of the grain bags in the first place.
    I've just started doing partial mash & I've have some failures before. I hope this batch isn't too
    far gone.
    Thanks for your input
     
  11. carteravebrew

    carteravebrew Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Colorado

    May I suggest that you Google "how to partial mash"?
    Then let us know if you have questions.
     
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  12. DaveJanssen

    DaveJanssen Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2008 Germany

    So we can better follow your process and suggest improvements for the future, would you mind breaking down step by step what you did. Something like: Brought ___volume of water to ____temperature with ____ extracts and/or grains. Held for ___time. Next added _____ and brought to ___ temp... you get the idea. Thanks.

    I'm happy to try to give advice but I'm still having trouble understanding your process.
     
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  13. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    We started w/ 3.5 gallons of tap water that we brought up to 220*
    Next, my brewing partner slowly added the 3lbs of Pilsen Extra Light DME
    while stirred to prevent clumping. After this was done, the temperature was gradually lowered
    to 170*. We sparged our muslin grain bag containing the 1/2 pound of Red Wheat & 1/4 pound of Vienna, & added the cup of Corn Sugar. After 10 minutes, we added our first 1/2 oz addition of Whole-leaf Citra. The temperature was then brought up to 212. The Second addition of Citra was 35 minutes into the boil. At the 50 minute mark we raised the temperature to 225* added the 1/4 oz of rolled oats. At 60 minutes we turned off the heat & allowed it to sit covered for the last ten minutes of the boil. We drained the liquid into our primary, already containing 1.5 gallons of ice cold water. We brought the grain bags & 6.5 gallon pot to sink & slowly ran warm water over the grain bags while mashing them out. We then drained a gallon of the liquid into the primary fermenter.
    We had to move the primary to an ice bath in the sink to bring the temp down to 70*. We then pitched our Brett. Brux./Brett. Lambi. starter into the wort. OG was 1.050 before pitching.
    Action in the airlock didn't start til the next afternoon, but went strong for three days. At the 5th day, I'm seeing action every 30 minutes or so. We are going to do a 2 week primary. We're going to ready a larger Brett.Lambi. starter for our 3 month secondary.
     
  14. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    You got your wort to 220 & 225 degrees? So you mini mashed your grains in your water and light ME at 170 degrees for 10 minutes? You boiled the oats for the last 10 minutes?
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would recommend procuring a better thermometer. (And not boiling oats.)
     
  16. chocosushi

    chocosushi Initiate (0) May 1, 2011 Oklahoma

    The oats were boiled the last ten minutes. We used two burners on a gas stove to get it up to 225* quickly.
     
  17. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Have you read "How to Brew" yet? Here is the link to the pertinent pages, but it is all a good read, and free online, and a little outdated on some subjects I understand.

    http://www.howtobrew.com/section2/chapter13-2.html

    Far be it from me to critique a process that makes drinkable beer, but it just seems that your procedures are more complicated and awkwardly crossed up/mixed up/misunderstood than they need to be.

    You can't boil wort at 225 degrees on a gas stove with 100 burners. Water boils at 212 and no more at sea level and less the higher in altitude you go.
     
  18. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    you realize you didnt get up to 225F right?

    While boiling oats may not be totally advisable there are a number of breweries that do this to get thick low gravity beers, so I doubt it will negatively impact your beer
     
  19. EdH

    EdH Crusader (449) Jul 27, 2005 Utah

    Honestly -- I don't think boiling oats (a.k.a. making oatmeal) is the biggest cause for concern here.
     
  20. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    Agreed. Though the biggest issue is the general lack of understanding of how to make a beer.
     
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