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Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Ilovelampandbeer, Apr 9, 2015.
And then everything else.
Tank 7 is good.
Rather than name Saisons already mentioned. I'll add one
Swamp head Saison Du Swamp. In my top three.
Peche n Brett is amazing as well.
Hill Farmstead and Crooked Stave are the big players in the saison game. If you are drinking anything else you might be playing little league and not know it. Not that I'm knocking the others...I'd just need to find a reason to stop drinking what I've currently got.
Yeah I love the brett...
Unbretted, Tank 7 and Opal are my favs.
Jester King Das Wunderkind
Boulevard Tank 7 and Saison Brett
Well...I think that, too....and then I think I might be suffering from confirmation bias. But yeah, I've had the same thought, about both beers you mention.
Hold on...what European Saison is above something like Hill Farmstead? Am I missing some things here?
Prairie ale, ommegang Hennepin and saison du buff (drinking one right now) and logsdons whole portfolio are friggin great beers
not a big saison fan, but the Merica by Prairie was amazing (also amazingly expensive)
The recent Boulevard/Ommegang collab was amazing. I highly enjoyed Spring Belle as well.
Sante Adairius makes some amazing saisons.
Saison Bernice is my favorite saison, ever.
My top five, in order:
Tank 7 (Honestly could be in the running for my favorite beer, period)
Saison-Brett (And it comes out next week!!!)
Arthur (Only beer I've ever had from HF, but it's so good that if I never had another HF, I'd be okay with it)
Love Buzz (I'm shocked it took almost 50 posts to get a mention)
Peche N' Brett (Need more of this in my life. Missed out this year.)
Honorable mention (no order):
You need to start drinking more saisons if you think those too are the only big players. I'll put logsdons saisons against either one of those two any day. Just saying. I might be wrong thought because obviously you are the king taster of saisons so I hope you approve of my opinion.
Saison is an American type of beer now. Newer ones brewed in Belgium (such as Urthel Saisonnière) are, no doubt, made with an eye on the American market. Perhaps it was America that made it into a 'style', I'm not sure.
Saison is a crazy category.
Allagash, Boulevard Tank 7, Goose Island Sofie. I think these are the best of the big guys.
Penrose makes an awesome session saison at 4.3% with honey. I could drink that all day. Also locally apex predator is fantastic.
I had funkwerks saison last year and it impresses me as well.
Now when you start talking saisons with adjunts it becomes a whole new ball game.
De Garde Petit Desay
Black Raven Pour les diseaux
Prairie Brewing Elizaseeth and Saison Ale
The Commons Brewery Urban Farmhouse Ale
Boulevard Saison with brett
I'm a saison snob... I would always compare everything to Fantome (and I still will). Fantome is the saison master. Even with their lack of consistency, it makes me appreciate their barnyard beauties more. With that being said, I've always loved me some Hennepin and Dupont. I have to say that Libertine Pub in Morro Bay KILLED IT with the Morro Rock Saison. So good! Everything that I want in a saison. I always either wish my saison is a) more funky or b) more tart. Libertine finds a balance of keeping this unique saison separate from everyone else and unique. If you haven't tried it yet, I highly recommend seeking it out.
First, I love saisons, so I'm into this thread.
Second, I don't necessarily agree with the unqualified statement that Europe "crushes it" when it comes to saisons. The vast majority of classic, highly regarded saisons may have and do come from Europe, but American saison production has really flourished especially in the last five years and there appears to be no end in sight, so the game is changing. DuPont is still DuPont and always will be, but American saisons are getting insanely good, more and more available, and doing things that European saisons aren't*.
And finally, I often say this but it's worth discussing two different strains of American-made saisons: classically-styled, non-wild saisons (Hennepin, Tank 7, Sorachi Ace, Helios, etc.) in one sub-category, and funky or otherwise experimental saisons (Prairie, Jester King, Side Project, Hill Farmstead) in another.
*And yes, of course I recognize there are exceptions. These are just broad generalizations.
I thought Helios was a brett saison, is that not what is meant by "wild"? It's getting so ubiquitous and accordingly well known and predictable-- domesticated & therefore no longer "wild"--that I could understand that. Or am I mistaken about brett in Helios?
But I think your categorization makes sense.
Forgot about about Opal.....that definitely should have been on my list.
Sante Adairius - Bernice
Hill Farmstead - Ann / Art
Anchorage - Rondy Brew
Grassroots - Brother Soigne
Crooked Stave - Surette
Prarie - Merica
De Garde - Saison Premiere
Tired Hands - HandFarm
Side Project - Saison du Fermier
Actually, I think you're right--scratch that one. It's still a great beer, and I think it might be pasteurized and/or filtered prior to bottling (though I could be wrong about that, too). Man, I wish they'd put it in sixers.
Loved Burning Rosids. Tank 7 is up there for me as well.
Crooked Stave Surette
River North J Marie
Bruery Saison Rue
Jester King Das Wunderkind
Boulevard Saison Brett
are my favorites
It sure sounds like you are knocking the others! Perhaps someone can simply like a different saison than you.
I've liked the small amount of Hill Farmstead saisons I've had and I'd happily drink them again, but I'm also happy playing little league with the saisons I like more. There is far less pressure to use performance enhancing drugs in little league and that suits me well.
I can't tell you what beers are "above" another, but I just don't look at the picture that way. A good amount of my favorite saisons are from Europe, and I have yet to try an American beer that can substitute for these. Why don't you look to Shaun Hill to see what you might be "missing?" Here he is describing his favorite:
Personally, I find the beers made at Brasserie de Blaugies to be delicious. @Plower , based on your other posts, you seem to have some internal conflict regarding brewery reputations. I'm being very presumptuous, but if it's honest, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
(All of my favorite US saisons have already been mentioned in the thread.)
Hill Farmstead...assuming you feel like going through the trouble to get it.
For the ones with a bit more availability, I like the normal saison from Funkwerks and just about anything from Crooked Stave and Casey. Trinity might be run by a bunch of lunatics, but they have some excellents ones, too.
Colorado is killing it with the saisons
Casey Brewing and Blending
Hill Farmstead is okay too
My personal favorites,
Handfarm, or pretty much anything coming from Tired Hands in this category.
Honorable mentions: de Garde, Tired Hands, Jester King, Lost Nation, Funkwerks, Stillwater, Boulevard
do you even 'tome bro?
Grassroots Brother Soigne. Bomb diggity.
No need to be a wise guy. Is anyone going to show me or LINK the European Saison that is on par with Hill Farmstead stuff? I fly from Texas to Boston, then drive to Vermont to get Hill Farmstead. That's because I'm willing to put some money in this game to play with the big boys, the brewers who are the franchise players in this game. When you guys say European Saison crushes American Saison you are spitting not only in the face of American brewers but also myself. If Europe had such amazing saisons I'm sure I'd have heard of them and have been flying there instead.
Pretty much my list to a T.
Have been increasingly impressed with Casey's East Bank and Saison. They're becoming much more recognized and rightly so.
Funkwerks is another locally accessible favorite along with Crooked Stave. Also find myself regularly picking up Goose Island's Sofie.
Plenty of "franchise players" don't require a six-hour flight followed by a four-hour drive.
And if you really wanted to "put some money in this game", a flight to Europe makes a flight to Boston and drive to Vermont look like chump change.
That said, I have no opinion on whether or not American or European saisons are better. I like both.