Best beer by country

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by draheim, Jul 15, 2013.

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  1. jbertsch

    jbertsch Meyvn (1,110) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts

    I'd actually love to hear what your overall favorite beer is from your country ( or favorite hefeweizen, pils, helles, alt, etc.) so I can keep it in mind the next time I'm there
  2. jcb7472

    jcb7472 Zealot (551) Jul 13, 2011 Florida
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    I just got back from a trip to Germany a couple of weeks ago. Had this in Munich and was the best beer I had there.
  3. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    This thread is silly. It should be titled "Best beers by country that are common in the USA".
    Look at all the listings for Samuel Smiths. They're considered very underwhelming over here(I'm in London, enjoying a great cask ale, after doing the same in Glasgow and Edinburgh). Canada and Germany's list is vinordinaire as well.

    Postings should be limited to those who've actually spent real time in a country, if many of us are to take them seriously. If you haven't been there, you're opinion is, at best, uninformed.
  4. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    And most of those American rankers have never set foot in the country in question. Their opinions are useless.
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  5. fede_glodo

    fede_glodo Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2013 Argentina

    Argentina: Antares - Porter
    Cuba: Bucanero - Lager fuerte
  6. BILF

    BILF Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2010 Israel

    Israel - Ronen HaOdit HaMehoerit IPA.
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  7. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,431) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I'll refer you to this post, which answers basically the same point.

    I invite you to start your own thread titled "Best beer by country, but before you reply you'd better have traveled the world and sampled a majority of the world's beers or your opinion is essentially useless." See how that works out.

    Take this thread seriously or don't, it's inconsequential to me.
  8. lehueve

    lehueve Initiate (0) Jul 16, 2013 Mexico

    In my opinion, from what i have had these are the best beers by country, again, I'am choosing from what I have had in the past year and a half:
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  9. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    I didn't say anything about having to have traveled the entire world and needing to sample a majority of the world's beers. I said many of us can't take this thread's posts seriously when most of the responses are from people who haven't been to the countries they're listing. Plenty of others have registered similar opinions. You don't need to distort what I said out of peevishness that I thought your thread is pointless and silly.

    People who know just a few of a country's beers shouldn't be ranking them - they should be asking questions to learn more about them.
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  10. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,431) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    It's a consumer site where everyone from the novice to the seasoned expert are free to rate and review beers and discuss beer-related issues. We all love beer for our own reasons; nobody needs credentials here. A lot of people come here just to have some fun and maybe learn something along the way. You can choose to take people's opinions seriously or not, but we're all entitled to our own opinions about what beers we like or don't. To suggest that there are certain things people should or shouldn't do on a site that's set up to enhance the enjoyment of beer is what's pointless and silly.
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  11. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    Well, we're also all free to express our opinions here, and I stated mine. You obviously differ with it. That's unusual here. I never should have expressed it, it's your thread after all(sarcasm intended).
  12. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Shit. I just spent a Benjamin to have mine laminated.
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  13. Dirty25

    Dirty25 Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2012 Germany

    I before E except in Germany...I always forget this.
  14. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,702) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Like what Harvey's IS has? :wink: I cannot find any more, dammit.
  15. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,702) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I know I was beat but Kernel.
  16. 19etz55

    19etz55 Disciple (325) Aug 12, 2007 New Jersey

  17. patto1ro

    patto1ro Zealot (525) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    Yes. Lovely beer, the Harvey's. One of the best in the world, in my opinion.
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  18. marquis

    marquis Crusader (758) Nov 20, 2005 United Kingdom (England)

    That's helpful and enlightening.What does it mean?
  19. lbour

    lbour Initiate (186) Jul 17, 2011 Texas
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    I'm almost afraid to offer my opinion... but just having enjoyed a great barrel-aged stout (512 Double Pecan Porter), I'll venture forward.

    Canada (b/c my wife is Canadian... I'll start here): DDC Aphrodisiaque or Peche Mortel (especially Bourbon-barrel)
    Sweden: Narke Kaggen! Stormaksporter (Cognac) or Nynashams Botet Barleywine
    Norway: Lervig Brewers Reserve Barrel-aged Barleywine (thanks Charlie!) or Haand Odin's Tipple... um, or, Nogne O Dark Horizon (sorry, getting carried away!)
    Denmark: Mikkeller Barrel-aged Stout (pick one, George Bourbon, Imperial X, etc.)
    UK: Thomas Hardy (somewhat distant 2nd... JW Lees Harvest Ale)
    New Zealand: Renaissance Brewing Tribute Barleywine (or Barrel-aged Stonecutter)
    Australia: Murray's Wild Thing or Red Hill Barrel-aged Stout
    US: Barrel-aged Vanilla Dark Lord (or slightly more available BCBS Vanilla)

    Guess there is an obvious bias to my preferences!

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  20. lbour

    lbour Initiate (186) Jul 17, 2011 Texas
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    Geez... can't believe I forgot Belgium: de Struise Damnation - Double Black!
  21. edwado

    edwado Initiate (0) Jul 9, 2013 New Jersey

    Almost %100 agreement with you except ........Heineken-you have got to be kidding me? Don't even mention it.You were 18? come on now- you spoiled your post. Great picks although I have never had Ayinger-will try; for me Vitus and Aventinus; half a dozen of one ,six of another.
  22. Hoppsbabo

    Hoppsbabo Champion (825) Jan 29, 2012 United Kingdom (England)

    Yeah, what's the oatmeal stout thing all about?
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  23. Samichlaus82

    Samichlaus82 Initiate (174) Jul 26, 2012 Germany

    I agree totally. Spending half my life in Europe (Germany/Belgium/England)and the other half in the USA has enlightened me to come to the conclusion that the American Beer drinking only tastes an extremely limited amount of traditional/historic beers. Americans only preview the select few beers that select importers (All Saint's Brands, B. United International, D & V International, Shelton Bros, etc...) deem appropriate to the chaotic American Beer market. The Americans think they have the most open and sophisticated palate; however, due to their lack of travel they never experience anything beyond the typical beer advocate & ratebeer hyped beers. The European Beer tradition is much to sophisticated for the American palate. While attending Weihenstephaner, I had a beer tasting with the head brewer and in all honesty he felt most American Craft beers should not be labeled as beer because of the excessive use of adjuncts. When we tasted Bourbon County Rare, he insisted that the beer ruined the flavor of the sublime Pappy Van Winkle.
  24. JuicesFlowing

    JuicesFlowing Poo-Bah (2,119) Jul 5, 2009 Kansas

    Ireland: O'Hara's stout
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  25. Thehuntmaster

    Thehuntmaster Initiate (0) Sep 2, 2009 South Africa

    Germany: Eszett
    Belgium: 3F Lente
    USA: Rare
    England: Thornbridge Bracia
    South Africa: Kings Blockhouse IPA
    Denmark: Mikkeller Bourbon George
  26. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    While I agree with you completely on the average American craft beer drinker's lack of exposure to the best beers from other countries, I don't buy the rest. Saying "The European Beer tradition is much to sophisticated for the American palate" is silly and smacks of arrogance. The head brewer at Weihenstephaner is wrong about the excessive use of adjuncts in our craft beers, and it sounds to me like you both have the same limited experience with our beers that many Americans have with yours.

    Although I've been pointing out American BA's general lack of knowledge of European beers on this thread, the fact remains that many of us travel extensively and have as sophisticated a palate/beer knowledge as anyone in Europe. I've met many Germans who know your beers well but think the USA is basically Bud and Coors type beers. They're totally clueless about the excellent range and quality of craft beers here.
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  27. rozzom

    rozzom Defender (680) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    You're absolutely right. But I also see where Tut is coming from. I'm from the UK and have been living in NYC for the last five years. It's always tough in threads like these when the 'best' from the UK usually constitutes three or four of the ten or so UK staples that can be found at your nearest Whole Foods.

    Not quite an apples to apples comparison, but imagine lots of people chiming in with Sam Adams Boston Lager as the best beer in the US, and you get the picture. Plus you have to take into account that (although I agree Ruds, things are changing) most of the best UK beer is available on cask, and therefore a) won't make it's way to the US and b) cannot be traded for by US BAs (in contrast to some of the best examples of US beers, that European BAs can trade for, or sometimes find in a shop/bar/pub).
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  28. Samichlaus82

    Samichlaus82 Initiate (174) Jul 26, 2012 Germany

    I agree German Beer Drinkers wouldn't know shit from Shinola regarding good American Craft beer. I was raised in the liquor business because my father owned a large chain of liquor stores in CA, WA, OR specializing in European Beers/American Craft. Arrogance is possibly the right word, but due to the "newness" of the Craft industry I find it odd that most beer aficionados assume aging beer is an American phenomena. My father attended the 1968 Thomas Hardy Ale festival and was astonished by the concept; however, little did he know England, Belgium, Germany had been aging beer in oak for years without pasteurization and without the addition of genetically engineered yeasts. I absolutely love Founders KBS, Pliny the Younger, Kate the Great, Three Floyds Darkness, etc..., but I'm also not an idiot to know much chemistry and adjuncts (sugar, non beer yeasts, Monsantos Genetically Modified Barley/Wheat, etc..) go into American Craft beer. I remember going to the New Albion Brewery and meeting Jack McAuliffe in Sonoma as a kid and my father admiring Jack's tradition of acknowledging European traditions and utilizing their disciplinary techniques towards brewing. Jack wanted Beer to be a food item. Not simply another alcoholic beverage.
  29. keithmurray

    keithmurray Meyvn (1,152) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut

    England - Fuller's London Pride
    Canada - Dieu Du Ciel Equinoxe Du Printemps (Hon. Mention: La Fin Du monde)
    Germany - Aventinus Eisbock
    Belgium - St. bernardus Abt 12
    USA - Anchor Porter
    Sri Lanka - Lion Stout (word to my avatar)
    Jamaica - Dragon Stout
    Ireland - Guiness Foreign Extra Stout
    Australia - Cooper's Extra Stout
    Mexico - Bohemia
    Poland - Zyweic Porter
  30. StJamesGate

    StJamesGate Poo-Bah (3,665) Oct 8, 2007 New York
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    A better comparison is Flying Dog:
    Admired, sometimes even worshipped, in the UK, Netherlands, Spain, etc. as proof of how good US craft beer can be.
    Why? Because they've worked very hard to expand their European distribution.

    Anybody think that FD is among the best American craft? Anyone?

    Flip that around and you've got how it is for beer geeks in the US with British beer. There are 1000+ UK brewers, but it's always Fullers/Youngs or Sam Smith making these lists.
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  31. draheim

    draheim Poo-Bah (2,431) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I'm sure everything you're saying is true. And I have no illusions that the beers I can get here in the States from England, Germany, Belgium, and elsewhere represent anywhere near the best those countries have to offer. I also didn't limit responses to Americans only, and so far people have responded from around the world (as I'd hoped), including Israel, South Africa, Germany, UK, Argentina, Netherlands, and Australia. Beers have been mentioned in this thread that I'd never heard of before, and I'll do my best to seek them out.

    My main point when it came to Tut's comments, which I think you understood, was that a lot of us (a) aren't beer experts and (b) haven't had the opportunity to spend a great deal of time sampling a wide variety of beers at their source of origin—but that doesn't invalidate our opinions about the beers we have had. Mainly I just thought he was taking things a bit too seriously, given the context.

    I'm loathe to quote Donald Rumsfeld, but he got this one right: "You don't know what you don't know." That doesn't mean we can't (or shouldn't) talk about what we do know, especially when it comes to beer.
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  32. rozzom

    rozzom Defender (680) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Yeah that's a better example.
  33. rozzom

    rozzom Defender (680) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Again I totally agree. And any country is going to be at a disadvantage when it's beers are being judged solely based off the distribution another country receives.

    I would just add though, that given it's cask-centric nature, the UK gets particularly short shrift in these types of discussions. Are there great Belgian (for example) breweries that I have never heard of that I don't have access to in the US? I'm sure. Would some of the beers I do have access to from Belgium be better at the source? Quite possibly. But I still get to sample a wide range of excellent Belgian beers/breweries in the US (3F, Cantillon, Rochefort, De Struise, Fantome amongst many others), and can come closer to having a rounded opinion of that country's beers. To sample the vast majority of the 'best' UK beers, you have to go directly to the country, period. There is no other option.
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  34. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    No shit! .....and they usually take an authoritative tone in their posts rather than saying something like "I've only had a few bottled Fullers or Sam Smiths, which I thought were good, but wonder if they are really the best Britain has to offer".
  35. Tut

    Tut Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2004 New York

    And it's the same for German beer.
  36. Zimbo

    Zimbo Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2010 United Kingdom (Scotland)

    At the moment it's Tempest Pale Ale in Scotland. But that will certainly change next time I'm in the pub.
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  37. DaveAnderson

    DaveAnderson Devotee (479) Jan 11, 2011 Minnesota

  38. patto1ro

    patto1ro Zealot (525) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands

    Never understood the liking for Flying Dog over here. Availability must be the answer. There's far better US stuff.
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  39. ChestSplitter

    ChestSplitter Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 Mississippi

    LOL. On the Heineken part you did not notice how far my tongue was stuffed in my cheek. We're all obviously limited by personal experience. In 1984, in the depths of the beer dark ages in America, that was damn good swill to a kid. :wink: A trip to the UK next year will surely take Samuel Smith off this list as well. Try that Ayinger. If you like wheat beer it's great.
  40. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Meyvn (1,346) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan

    Can you give examples of genetically modified barley and wheat? There were some threads that showed GMO barley was not released. There was a news item that some GMO wheat had made it out of the lab in small amounts.

    Can you give examples the overuse of adjuncts? Some of that could be true, but many Craft Brewers do no use adjuncts.

    Just asking for some facts.
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