Best Beer for Carbonnade

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  1. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Looking to make a carbonnade before our trip to Belgium, what beer should I use? I was considering Rochefort 10 but thought it might be a little strong? Anyone have a good recipe?
     
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  2. Heretic42

    Heretic42 Savant (1,118) Aug 31, 2011 Texas

    Having had the dish made with Gulden Draak, Rochefort 10 probably won't be too strong, but I'd go with a less expensive N. American Belgian and drink the Rochefort with the meal. I've also seen Flemish Reds/Oud Bruins recommended instead of a Dubbel or BSDA/Quad.
     
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  3. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    I can see how that would work with the sour notes. Problem is we don't see many N.American BSDA's up here (other than Unibroue Trois Pistoles and Maudite, may try that). Could try Duchesse or Goudenband but not really any cheaper.
     
  4. Heretic42

    Heretic42 Savant (1,118) Aug 31, 2011 Texas

    Yea, I was thinking along the lines of something from Unibroue; New Belgium is another cheaper possibility if you get them. Plain Rodenbach should also be cheaper if you go that route.
     
  5. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Ahh didn't think of that, we do get Rodenbach sixers here...would that maybe be a little light though?
     
  6. Heretic42

    Heretic42 Savant (1,118) Aug 31, 2011 Texas

    It would definitely be a lighter and tarter stew than e.g. using a quad, but I think it'll work fine when compared to more complex/rich Flemish Reds. In my experience, you lose a lot of the nuance of a beer once you start cooking with it.
     
  7. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Do you get the Ommegang Abbey Ale? That would be one of my top choices.

    If not, you might substitute the Rochefort 6 for the 10, or 1 of the two lower ABV St. Bernardus beers, the 6 or the 8.
     
  8. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    We do, unfortunately it tends to be prohibitively expensive up here along with the rest of Ommengang ($15-20).
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Shame.

    As you may have spotted from the earlier post, I'm a big fan of using a Dubbel in the Charbonnade. :-)
     
  10. iwantmorehops

    iwantmorehops Zealot (739) Sep 25, 2010 Vermont

    Carbonnade is one of my favorite things, the first time we made it we used Chimay Grand Reserve, and trying that beer opened my eyes to Belgian beer. We usually use Trois Pistoles now, and save the Chimay for drinking with dinner if feeling classy, otherwise stick with Trois. Made it last week with Rodenbach Grand Cru and was very happy with the results, it didn't translate into a particularly tangy or vinegary stew though, which surprised me. The Rodenbach was the best pairing to drink with the stew I've tried without a doubt.
     
  11. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Maybe Westmalle dubbel could work?
     
  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    For sure. I'm inclined to using high quality beers for cooking dishes such as that one and the Ommegang costs less around here than do the Belgian imports, but it seems that the situation may be reversed for you. I'm partial to the school of thinking that holds that the quality of the beer (or wine) used in cooking should match the rest of the ingredients.
     
  13. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Yeah its pretty strange up here. US beer is priced significantly higher than any other imports up here.

    Anyone have a decent recipe? Worried about getting proportions right.
     
  14. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I've used one a lot like this one:

    http://www.saveur.com/article/Recipes/Classic-Beef-Beer-Stew

    thought the results were pretty good and reminded me of one or two I'd had dining out with friends in Belgium.
     
  15. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Looks pretty good, the 2 cups of beer would be a good amount for a dubbel?
     
  16. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Gouden Carolus Classic could also be good...we get it in 4-packs.
     
  17. duchessedubourg

    duchessedubourg Savant (1,181) Nov 2, 2007 Vermont

    Michael Jackson's book on Belgian beers had some classic recipes in the back - his for Carbonnade Flamande calls for Liefman's Goudenband. It's all I've ever used when going the traditional route.
     
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  18. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    I'll give that a try. We do actually get that up here!
     
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  19. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Somewhere I have a recipe for Flemish Carbonnade that calls for two 33cl bottles of Chimay Red. It has been at least 10 years since I've made it. If I can find it I will post.
     
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  20. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Sounds good, also readily available!

    What do you guys normally serve it with? Other than beer obviously!
     
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