Best Cantillon Candidate for Long Aging

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by matedog, Oct 24, 2013.

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  1. matedog

    matedog Crusader (457) Jan 25, 2010 California

    I was thinking of trying to age a Cantillon gueuze for 5+ (maybe up to 15) years after really enjoying the 99 3F gueuze I had recently. Of the three main gueuzes (classic, Lou Pepe, and Gilloise/Champions), what would be the best candidate for long haul aging?
     
  2. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    i'd vote classic. lou pepe and champions both have interesting "have it fresher" characteristics, though lou pepe less so.
     
  3. ShanePB

    ShanePB Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Give Classic a shot, that would be the one I'd do. In reality, they'll all hold up really well. Hell, I had a 1993 Rose de Gambrinus earlier this year, and it was epically sour and delicious.
     
  4. matedog

    matedog Crusader (457) Jan 25, 2010 California

    Thanks guys. I do have a 375mL bottle of classic that I bought when I visited the brewery two years ago (my first foray into sours, really), so I'll just hold onto that.
     
  5. 4DAloveofSTOUT

    4DAloveofSTOUT Grand Pooh-Bah (4,064) Nov 28, 2008 Illinois
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  6. HeadyTheElder

    HeadyTheElder Maven (1,276) Nov 3, 2012 Louisiana
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    I would age Classic over Champions. Champions had such a great fruitiness to it that would fade.
     
  7. UCLABrewN84

    UCLABrewN84 Initiate (0) Mar 18, 2010 California

    Another vote for Classic. You don't have to worry about fruit, hops, etc. unlike some of the other Cantillon choices.
     
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  8. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Pundit (814) Feb 9, 2009 Canada (MB)
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    I like Classic, fresh or aged. However, I must say the Lou Pepe Gueuze gets better with age...
     
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  9. ManforallSaisons

    ManforallSaisons Pooh-Bah (1,554) Mar 20, 2008 Belgium
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    Go for a bigger bottle, 75 cl rather than 37.5. I've had long-lived bottles of the classic gueuze as well as Iris (technically not lambic because no wheat but a nice variation made by the same method, and has held up well in a few older bottles I've tried)
     
  10. errantnight

    errantnight Pooh-Bah (2,015) Jul 7, 2005 District of Columbia
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    I'd drink any 375 from them whenever you feel like it. They specifically upgraded the corks on their 750s, not their 375s, a year or two ago, which implies the corks aren't great on the 375s.
     
  11. ArrogantB

    ArrogantB Grand Pooh-Bah (3,248) Jun 9, 2006 Colorado
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    I've had plenty of 375's and 750's over the last ten years with bad corks that aged just fine. I don;t think the cork change is going to matter a whole lot.
     
  12. Dupage25

    Dupage25 Savant (1,044) Jul 4, 2013 Antarctica

    Well first you would actually have to find anything Cantillon. Another alternative would be Tilquin Ancient Gueuze, which has some Cantillon in it.
     
  13. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    don't age anything with fruit. you will lose all of the specialness of the fruit. Jean himself will tell you that Lou Pepe is best consumed after bottling and not waiting. same with Iris.
    I have some bio-lambic from 2011 and, to be honest, i prefer it closer to bottling date. the amount of citrus has migrated from lime to grapefruit territory. less clean and crisp, more funk.
     
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  14. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Pundit (814) Feb 9, 2009 Canada (MB)
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    Take the exact opposite of what he said above, and that's my opinion on the matter...:stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  15. SGToliver

    SGToliver Initiate (0) Nov 22, 2012 Washington

    Gueuze, lambics and fou foune.
     
  16. mocktm

    mocktm Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2011 Virginia

    I love Rose with 3 or so years on it. Fantastic!
     
  17. GRG1313

    GRG1313 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,974) Jan 15, 2009 California
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    Agree 100% and I can confirm the comments of Jean. He is at a loss as to why Americans "age out" the fruit. He indicated that he spends a lot of money getting the best fruit he can find and the Americans age it out and never get the benefit of what he intends with the beer.

    OK, I confess that I do like aged Cantillons of all kinds. However, and while it's hard to get yourself to open those new bottles, the fruit based are simply best young. Try it; you'll like it! JMO
     
  18. tbadiuk

    tbadiuk Pundit (814) Feb 9, 2009 Canada (MB)
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    For me, without age the Lou Pepes (Fram/Kriek) taste watery and lack funk and sourness, no complexity what-so-ever IMHO.
     
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  19. Hopbomber

    Hopbomber Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2013 England

    Thirded, Fruit Cantillon should NOT be aged (hoarded).
     
  20. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    it's all personal preference, natch.
    would i age a Lou Pepe for 5 years? no.
    one year, max. and i have and there's a noticeable taste difference. i still prefer them fresh(er).

    now, someone should mention to Jean to perhaps use some older lambic and make Lou Pepe with that. perhaps that would be more complex.
     
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