Best Easier to Find Fruit Lambics

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  1. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Pooh-Bah (2,240) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    Sure, if you're going to include the appellate, then that's true. But there are a few American made beers that are referred to as "lambic" without the same knee-jerk "no they're not" reaction. Resurgam and Le Roar Grrrz for example; those also do not include the wild Lambeek yeast, but rather local wild yeast.


    Lagering is just letting the beer sit around :wink:
    The bold parts of this quote (from Raspberry Tart) sound very much like (current) lambic technique to me.

    This also makes it sound like excepting the appellate, they in fact are brewed as lambics.
     
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  2. kirkfrailey

    kirkfrailey Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2013 Michigan

    following. interested in this thread.
     
  3. AndyEdgar

    AndyEdgar Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014 Illinois

    My point is that none of the 750 ml bottles of NG beers are even remotely close to a taste, quality, style, etc of a Belgian fruited lambic such as a Cantillon, Drie Fonteinen. To mention them together is a disservice to the aforementioned Belgians.
     
  4. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Pooh-Bah (2,240) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with the first half of your statement, but disagree with the latter half. That's like saying that referring to Guinness as a stout is a disservice to BCBS; the fact is that both are stouts.

    Besides, this thread has nothing to do with Cantillon, the whole point of this conversation is "easier to find" and Cantillon certainly is not that (in the US).
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Actually it differs in the strain of yeast and its symbiotic bacteria that are doing the fermentation, etc. So just as Sourdough bread made in San Francisco will taste different from the Sourdough made in, say the Steppes of Russia, the beers will have different flavors from those critical bugs and creatures. This is why some people reserve the term "lambic" for beers from a particular region of Belgium. For example, two notable producers such as Allagash and Russian River specifically avoid "lambic."
     
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  6. AndyEdgar

    AndyEdgar Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014 Illinois

    Most of the Allagash small bottles and coolships have been phenomenal.
    Tilquin is pretty close to the same quality as 3F or Loons and is much easier to find
    Uplands are sour as fuck, and are easy to get in Chicago, but are not a lambic...IMO
    Boon, Hanssens, Beersel all have some quality offerings. They are all over the shelves at Binny's.

    Just stay away form anything that has a ton of artificial color and sweetener in it (ie Lindemanns)
     
  7. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Pooh-Bah (2,240) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    Sure, that's what I was referring to above with the term appellate, similar to sparkling wine made outside Champagne, France can't be Champagne, and beer made outside Koln, Germand can't be Kolsch. I'm not discounting terroir, just pointing out that the Allagash/RR/Bullfrog wild ales don't engender the same "that's not even close to lambic" response as the New Glarus beers do, despite similar brewing technique among them.

    I wish all of the things you list here were easy to find.
     
  8. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Lambic are like Champagne. Cant be a lambic if its not from belgium and cant be a champagne if its not from france
     
  9. WellRested518

    WellRested518 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2014 New York

    I think they need a turbid mash, as well. Really though, if you're looking for a flavor profile there are many breweries that use spontaneous fermentation here in the us.
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    The reaction people have is a different issue. Some folks mislabel their beers and get away with it, some refuse to use the label "lambic" and make a point of indicating that they are not doing Lambics (e.g., RR and Allagash). Its not just the fermentation technique of spontaneous fermentations, otherwise that would make soudough bread starters Lambics... :slight_smile:
     
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  11. AndyEdgar

    AndyEdgar Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2014 Illinois

    Someone mentioned the Mikkeller Spontan series. These are tasty, readily available, but pricy as hell.
     
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  12. wyatt

    wyatt Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2009 Louisiana

    Thought to find, but tilquin generally sits on the shelf the longest. They have a plum sour that is wonderful.
     
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  13. LehighAce06

    LehighAce06 Pooh-Bah (2,240) Jul 31, 2010 Pennsylvania
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    Fair enough, but I'm not saying that spontaneous fermentation alone makes a beer a lambic, even stylistically (ignoring terroir). NG, as well as RR/Allagash/Bullfrog, not only use spontaneous fermentation, they also use oak vessels and aged hops, both of which are important to lambic brewing.

    To be truly "lambic" it does need to be brewed in that region, similar to Champagne or Kolsch, as it is that region's specific wild yeast/bacteria that uniquely makes the beer; the point I'm making is more closely related to "lambic style".
     
  14. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    I dont usually say this on here no would i normally on the internet But YOU ARE WRONG.

    Authentic lambics are only produced in the Senne River Valley region of Belgium near Brussels. Beer that is spontaneously fermented but is not from Belgium cannot be true lambic beer.
     
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  15. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Hanssens gets my vote. They tend to be more available than 3F and (especially) Cantillon. Tilquin sells out instantly in some places and sits in others...so it's worth a look, too.

    While I love the New Glarus fruit beers, even more than "real" lambics, I don't think they're all that close. By all means grab some, but don't expect them to approximate any except maybe very loosely Lindemans.
     
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  16. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    So the yeast doesn't matter?

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambic
     
  17. nightfly

    nightfly Initiate (0) Feb 11, 2010 District of Columbia

    Lambic or fruits shouldn't even be considered "beer" because they don't follow Reinheitsgebot laws from Germany.
     
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  18. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Even if you use everything or even an exact clone of a Cantillon and brew it at your house in the USA. It still would not be a "Lambic" because you didnt brew it in Senne River Valley region of Belgium near Brussels.

    you will tequinically only have a sour beer. or spontaneously fermented beer
     
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  19. SteveSexton203

    SteveSexton203 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2014 Connecticut

    Germany no longer follows Reinheitsgebot law and us now Provisional German Beer Law. because if Reinheitsgebot law was still in place no beer with yeast added would be beer
     
  20. Shroud0fdoom

    Shroud0fdoom Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 Maryland

    Uh...why do you think I posted the link? Did you care to actually take my post into context?
     
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