Best Homebrew Equipment Set for a Starter

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  1. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    Hello BA's!

    I'm sure that this question has been asked a million times before, but I'd like to get all our homebrewers' opinions on what is the best homebrew set for a complete beginner. I want something that would be easy to figure out but also would allow me to "grow into" the hobby without needing to get a new set.

    I've recently been interested in getting started with homebrewing after volunteering for a day at a craft brewery. I want to start learning the trade hands-on, and I figure a good way to do that would be through homebrew. A friend of mine recommended that I get the set that he uses, which is the TrueBrew Homebrewing Starter Kit, but this looks rather rudimentary, although it is obviously one of the most affordable on the market.

    I am primarily interested in brewing British-style ales and lagers, especially because these styles aren't easily accessible in my area. Would my choice of equipment depend on these preferences? I'm not sure if the TrueBrew starter kit has the right kind of components to allow me to a do a temperature-controlled fermentation. I also would need temperature control anyway, as likely the only space I can brew is in my attic or my garage, which will get hot during this summer.
     
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  2. HelloMyNameIsHuman

    HelloMyNameIsHuman Aspirant (257) Mar 6, 2017 New Hampshire

    I’ve had great luck with the Brew in a Bag method. I have an 8 gallon boil kettle which I wish I bought the 10 gallon instead. I use that with a burner hooked up to a propane tank and then cool it with a wort chiller and ferment it in the catalyst fermenter all of this probably cost me less than $500 and the one good thing is I can always use the boil kettle I have and add onto my system if I want to move past the BIAB method , I can’t speak as to what is involved when brewing largers tho ... good luck
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you have a good local homebrew store (LHBS) near you? If so, I would recommend you visit that store and purchase your equipment there. Establish a relationship with the folks working at the store so you can consult with them when you have questions on your first batch (and beyond). The store owner/employees have a strong vested interest in having your first batch (and following batches) turn out well so you will stay with the hobby (and hopefully buy more homebrewing ingredients).

    I personally do not have experience with the TrueBrew Homebrewing Starter Kit but starter kits typically come with a fermenter, bottling bucket, airlock, bottle filler, racking equipment, bottle capper,…

    The other item you will need is a brew kettle, typically stainless steel and you can choose how big you want to get. You will also need to be able to cool down your wort which can be easily accomplished via an ice bath if you choose to brew your first batch on the smaller side and augment with water.

    You should read a good homebrew book (e.g., How to Brew by John Palmer) prior to purchasing your starter kit since this may influence your initial purchase.

    You asked a few questions:

    “I am primarily interested in brewing British-style ales and lagers, especially because these styles aren't easily accessible in my area. Would my choice of equipment depend on these preferences?”

    British style ales are pretty straightforward (my first batch was an English Bitter Ale back in the 1990’s). Producing a lager requires additional equipment and steps due to the lagering phase. I would recommend that you start with ales and at a later date decide if you want to try your hand at lagers (and purchase additional equipment then).

    “I'm not sure if the TrueBrew starter kit has the right kind of components to allow me to a do a temperature-controlled fermentation.”

    No, a starter kit will be pretty basic with no equipment for temperature control. A cheaper/simpler way to manage heat is via evaporative cooling (i.e., placing the fermenter in a pan of water and wrap a T-shirt or towel around the fermenter and dipping into the pan’s water) and this will cool things down a few degrees. A more thorough way to manage heat is via a refrigerator with an external temperature controller. When you decide to produce lagers you will need to cool down much colder (e.g., less than 40 degrees F) so something like a chest freezer with an external temperature controller is needed here.

    To summarize:

    1. Buy a good homebrewing book (and read cover to cover)

    2. If you have a good LHBS buy your starter kit there and ingredients for your first batch (e.g., English Bitter Ale)

    3. Wait until you have brewed a few ales before deciding to go the lager route

    Welcome to the great hobby of homebrewing. I have been homebrewing over 25 years and my next batch will be batch number 472. You too can do it!

    Cheers!
     
  4. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    What part of Tennessee are you in? If you’d like to lager you’ll definitely need to be able to lower your temp. I started out with a Anvil 6.5 system and quickly realized I wish I had started out with the 10.5 gallon system as I wanted to do bigger beers without using extract if I could. Although I just did a stout and had to use it anyway to get the ABV ridiculously high. Welcome
     
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  5. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    I'm in the Nashville area. I saw that there aren't that many homebrew stores in this area, but I've identified one that seems to be pretty good, although it will likely be a bit of a drive for me to get there.

    I've already done a little bit of reading up on kits, and I bought Palmer's book which @JackHorzempa recommended and it should be arriving Friday. I hope I can get through it by the end of the weekend so I can make my ultimate selection!

    And yes, I want to have the full brewing experience, and that means using actual malt and hop pellets. Considering everyone's advice, I'll aim for the 10 gallon systems.
     
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  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Does your "10 gallon" refer to batch size or equipment size? A single 10 gallon batch will ideally need a 15 gallon brew kettle, a 14 - 15 gallon fermentor (or multiple smaller fermentors).

    In retrospect if I could do it again, I would have bought a 15 gallon kettle even for 5 gallon batches, with the thought that I might eventually do larger batches. I would also have built a mash tun larger than my current 10 gallon......it's tight trying to stuff it with grains for a really high gravity brew.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    As @riptorn discussed above could you clarify what is meant by "10 gallon" system. You will need a high BTU burner to boil your wort. Also a wort chiller (either immersion type or a plate chiller).

    And if you are going to jump in right away with all grain you will need to conduct a mash/lauter.

    And you will learn after reading the book a number of other items.

    This will add up to several hundreds of dollars but that is the cost of brewing via a full boil and all grain.

    You could brew your first batch more economically via extract and partial boil but you seem disinterested in that.

    Cheers!
     
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  8. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    The ten-gallon system I'm speaking of is this:
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    Couldn't resist, but in all seriousness, I thought that everyone was expressing regret for making less beer than they realized they wanted to make, so I guess a 15 gallon kettle? Unless that requires a special stove, of course. But if that's too much of a stretch, I suppose I could aim for something that brews 6 gallons? That should still be plenty for my family and neighbors to drink...

    The reason why I want to get the full experience, so to speak, is because I possibly want to get into doing this in a commercial sense. I know it's several years and lots of training and money away, but I want to challenge myself out of the get-go and really learn the technicalities of it hands on. I also, of course, want some leeway to experiment and make the beer my own. Adhering to a recipe is one thing, but I think that using extracts and other shortcuts will take the fun out of it for me, and it feels like I would just be making someone else's beer, not my own.

    This probably deserves another thread, but honestly, but brewing has lately seemed attractive to me because my original career plans haven't quite worked out, especially in light of the pandemic. I got to volunteer at a local craft brewery on a brew day and really found the work engaging, and I want to learn more about it.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Not 'special' but you need a burner with lots of BTUs to boil the 12 gallons (or so) of wort to result in 10 gallons after a one hour boil. Simply a matter of money. And to re-enforce what I posted above you will need a chiller to bring that wort from boiling temperature down to pitching temperature (e.g., mid-60s for ales and lower 50's for lagers). Again, a matter of money.

    You will also need a larger fermenter for fermenting 10-gallon batch. The fermenter that comes with the kit in the OP won't be big enough. Again, a matter of money.
    If that is what you want that is your choice. Again, a matter of money.

    An alternative approach is to brew your first few batches on a smaller scale to get the basics/fundamentals down pat and then grow as your experience grows but it sounds to me you want to go BIG right away which is your choice (if you have the capital available day 1).

    Best of luck here!

    Cheers!

    P.S. Another topic which has not been discussed yet is how do you intend to package the 10 gallons of beer when it is done. Bottling will require about 100 bottles. Or you will need two 5-gallon kegs and the means to serve draft beer.

    You will learn more after reading the book.
     
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  10. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    In addition to what @JackHorzempa has stated about 10 gallon batches, recognize that 5 gallons is about the largest amount of beer you can maneuver without pumps, gravity and other special equipment.

    When dealing with 10 gallons of boiling sugar water for example, you need to have a plan.
    5 gallons of boiling wort is no walk in the park, but with good pot holders, back strength and patience you can deal.

    Same for storing it all. How is home life? Because you are going to need to claim a fair amount of real estate for all that 10 gallon equipment. Like park your car outside because you need the garage sort of space.

    5 gallons is the US standard homebrew size. Most all recipes are provided in 5 gallon size, everything is and has been 5 gallons for a while because it works pretty well.

    Cheers
     
  11. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    For now, I'm setting aside a budget of $500 to spend from working some jobs on the side.

    @billandsuz that makes sense. How much space with a 5-gallon set take? I'm scoping out an extra slot in our garage I could use. I don't think my family would be keen on me using the kitchen, and I imagine our backyard patio has obvious sanitary issues being out in the open air.
     
  12. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    @billandsuz that makes sense. How much space with a 5-gallon set take? I'm scoping out an extra slot in our garage I could use.[/QUOTE]

    Well, 5 gallons. The kettle is a big lobster pot, probably bigger than anything you have. And it should be 6.5 gallons to hold 5 with a boil and boil off. The kettle is bigger than you might expect but not giant. A 15 gallon kettle is as big as a half bbl, a standard keg of beer.

    You can put a fair amount of equipment inside too, so you store the pot with a lid and everything that will fit goes inside. You'll also have a mash tun, like an Igloo cooler, and that too will hold some stuff.

    I store ingredient in a 5 gallon bucket with a screw top lid. A few actually. Rodent proof, these are made specifically for food storage. Or you can use a clean Homer bucket with a lid.
    It is useful to have everything you need right in the same space because you don't want to be running around getting stuff while your wort is boiling, or you are bottling etc.

    Cheers
     
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  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    i did start with a true brew kit. My better half got it for me years ago and i still use the bottleling bucket. everything else i broke or wore out.
    alot of good advise already has been given.
    for me.
    10 gal stainless kettle with a valve/spikot
    propain burner
    mash tun or BIAB, i use a tun
    metal containers for grain storage. if this home brewing becomes a problem, like it is fer me, you will have either multipal trash cans for grains or a tool locker. got the tool locker at a yard sale cheap. after a while, still was not big enough so here come the cans.
    I like buckets so get one extra, same goes for air locks, bungs, racking wands, and hydrometers.
    yep, i have lost or broken them all.
    get a decent scale to measure sugar at first, if you go to all grain brewing you have the scale.
    get books and ask questions here and or other places, people. for the most part, home brewers dont mind sharing info.
    have fun
     
  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you go with your decision to brew 10-gallon batches, then your need for a fermentation chamber just became more difficult to provide. Moving that much liquid was mentioned above as needing pumps, etc. to move beer, so you'll have to deal with that.

    I only need a fermentation chamber when brewing a lager because I have a cool basement for fermenting ales. A 5-gallon carboy or plastic bucket fits well into my beer fridge, and I don't mind setting the temp to 50 degrees (fermentation) or 32 degrees (lagering) for 4-6 weeks. It sounds like your climate may require you to use some sort of temp control for your ales, so consider 5-gallon (or less) batches. You'll be able to brew more styles more often and drink your beer without it getting old and having to dump it.

    I'm not saying it will happen to you, but new brewers frequently have bad batches until you get your procedures dialed in, so it's less expensive to dump smaller batches. But heed advice from this forum and you should grow into this hobby very well.
     
  15. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    But the hat is a dandy
     
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  16. Effinwill

    Effinwill Crusader (433) Dec 2, 2016 California

    To stretch your budget furthest, and wind up with equipment that you retain indefinitely, a look on craigslist is probably the best source. You would benefit from having an experienced home brewer help you out. Maybe start hanging out at the home-brew shop?
     
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  17. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    Just getting back from visiting my parents outside Nashville. Picked up some great German Pils at Smith & Lentz on the way to their house.

    After 10 years of using a cooler for a mash/lauter tun and mostly boiling in an 8 gallon pot on my stovetop I switched to the 10.5 gallon Anvil Foundry and I wish I had that thing from day one. It is $370 without the pump (which you could add on later for $100). It comes with an immersion chiller. I brew 5 gallon batches of mostly very traditional lagers and English styles. I love the ease of use, compact size, and especially the accuracy of mash temps. I do no-sparge step mashes and decoctions for all my lagers and it has made my brewing so much easier. At least 5 guys in my homebrew club have switched to the Foundry and love it.

    And then you need a chest freezer or dorm fridge with a temp controller (doesn't have to be the most expensive one and since you are in Tennessee you should only need to make the beer colder and not have to worry about making it warmer!). I am a fan of open fermentation for both lagers and English styles. A plastic bucket with a loose lid is a more than adequate fermentation vessel for traditional lagers and English styles. Then bottle that beer and lager it in the bottle.

    Eventually you will add things like kegs or a grain mill but you can do without either of those or plenty of other things. Just pay attention to sanitation and temperatures (and please dear god if nothing else de-chlorinate your water with half a campden tablet) and you'll be hooked.

    And join a homebrew club. My local homebrew store sucks but all the local homebrew clubs are great.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Are you powering this with 120V or 240V? If 120V, how long does it take to heat up (both for mash temperature(s) and boiling)?

    Cheers!
     
  19. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    But wait, there's more! Did I mention that the Foundry let's you run on 120 or 240? Thanks for the reminder Jack.

    I am currently doing 120 and it could be faster, but as someone who does double decoctions, I'm clearly not in a hurry! It's a hobby and I enjoy the process. As I like to joke, brewing a lager is like sex--if you think the point is to get it over with as quickly as possible, you aren't doing it right!

    You are able to add the water the night before and set a timer and have it ready to mash in when you wake up. That is a time saver. So many reasons that the Foundry is great for beginners and very advanced brewers alike.
     
  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is a nice feature.

    Running on 240V is 'better' in order to shorten heating times but for most folks that would require some electrical changes to the house which is best left to a licensed electrician.

    FWIW I am a natural gas man! :wink:

    Cheers!
     
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