Best Malts in a R.I.S.

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  1. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    So as complex as blending hops in an IPA so are malts in a malty beer. What are your best combination of specialty/roasted/base malts in a R.I.S. , in style or not. As from my previous post, I’m fishin’. Any advice is much appreciated.
     
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    For a RIS, I like both black patent and roasted barley and a mix of chocolate malts. Don't go too heavy with the black patent or you end up with an ashtray in your beer, but a little bit adds character.
     
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  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Chocolate, roasted barley, and a touch of black patent.
     
  4. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    As far as crystal is concerned, I like a blend. Something like 2:1:1 45L:77L:150L
     
  5. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    My last RIS in terms of specialty malts:

    5% Roast Barley
    3.5% Chocolate Rye
    2.5% Carafa III
    2% Black Patent
    2.5% 120L
    1.5% 40L

    Paired along with 2-row, Munich II and flaked rye. Came out delicious and currently sitting in a whisky barrel the past month.

    I like to use or blend a few 'specialty' roast malts (chocolate rye, patagonia perla negra, pale chocolate), to add additional character into the beer. Sometimes a little smoked, as well. Big stouts can be fun because of all the roast/chocolate/coffee flavors you can play around with and balance.
     
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  6. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Flaked barley, roasted barley, black patent, L60, dark chocolate,
    Always marris otter, Munich L10.

    For a change up, Munich L60, oats, special B, 50-60 British crystal,
    And oak, maple wood ageing. Gotta go. Red now
     
  7. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Any thoughts on Weyermann Chocolate Wheat?
     
  8. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Never used it
     
  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Nothing special over using regular chocolate malt or pale chocolate for this style.
     
  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I like this combination, but I usually don't use BP and instead use Special B. Obviously they are nothing alike, I just don't care for BP and like the different character that Special B gives to the beer.
     
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  11. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    Maris Otter, Roasted Barley, Chocolate rye, c-60, special B and a touch of black patent.
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Back in the day, the highest rated RIS (and in fact the highest rated beer overall) in the world (according BA ratings) was Kate the Great. The brewer, Todd Mott (then at the Portsmouth Brewery), shared the recipe. Todd is a better Brewer than a communicator, and some of the details are debated. But Kate's grain bill looked something like this:

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    Yes, with rounding it looks like 102%. If anyone wants more percentages, yell.
     
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  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm... that was supposed to say If anyone wants more precise percentages, yell.
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    @VikeMan you are a run and gun Brewer at heart
     
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  15. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    This is my house recipe because I never had a chance to try it even though I live in New Hampshire. It is indeed a great malt bill although tedious to put together and the Aromatic malt adds a nice touch. Also part of Todd’s secret was allegedly mashing real low temp
     
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  16. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    So here it is. Percentages are rounded. Critique if you must. Thanks for all the advice.

    75%~Golden Promise
    7%~Flaked Barley
    5.5%~Roasted Barley
    3.5%~Pale Chocolate
    3.5%~Chocolate Wheat
    3.5%~C-40
    2%~Black Patent
    Warrior & Centennial
     
  17. TheHumanTorch

    TheHumanTorch Devotee (353) Jul 19, 2013 Connecticut

    Special W (weyermann) fan here. Use it in a complementary role. Special B probably works just as well.
     
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  18. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would go with a darker C malt if only using one type, but ideally I would have a mix of C60 and C120 vs. just C40. Look at the Kate the Great recipe posted above, a total of 7% crystal malts with C40, C120 and Special B in the mix.

    If you are limited to one C malt, then I would go with something like 4% C120
     
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  19. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Looks pretty good. Ever think of throwing in some Victory and/or some Special Roast? Just a touch of each (about 5%) will build complexity.

    You've got body builders in there, roast, chocolate, caramel. Victory would add some nutty character, special roast would add some toasty, bisquity notes. At 5% rates, these malts would really just help to better layer the beer.
     
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  20. NorCalKid

    NorCalKid Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2018 California

    Damn dude. That’s a gang bang of malts!
     
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