Best NEIPA maker from OG breweries

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Breweries that have been around from Y2K or older....could be either a small/local brewer or a regional or large distributor. Which of the craft brewers that have survived since the 1990’s craft wave that have decided to have a go at making NEIPAs do you think are making good quality examples of this more modern beer style? Thought this would be interesting topic for discussion since usually the focus Of NEIPA makers are on who’s the hot new kids on the block.
     
  2. ScaryEd

    ScaryEd Grand Pooh-Bah (3,793) Feb 19, 2012 New Hampshire
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    Sierra Nevada has knocked it out of the park with Hazy Little Thing and Fantastic Haze.
     
  3. traction

    traction Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2010 Georgia
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    Off the top of my head I would say Sierra Nevada. Not many breweries from the '90s I recall who are making haze nowadays. The Sierra Nevada hazies are OK but obviously not something to compare to Monkish or Root + Branch. Decent affordable shelfies though.

    Got there 1 minute before me!
     
  4. Trull

    Trull Pooh-Bah (1,843) Dec 24, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Harpoon’s Rec League is my go to session NEIPA. Great summer beer! Best hazy session I’ve had.
     
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  5. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    I haven’t had many - I thought the Sam Adams version was ok when it came out a couple of years ago - like a lite version w/zero edginess. Tried the hazy version of New Belgium’s Voodoo Ranger series a few months ago and thought It was horrible. So many challenges to mass marketing NEIPAs - new process/ingredients - hop volumes - shelf life - affordability etc etc. I can see why there hasn’t been a ton of successful examples. Will give the SN and Harpoon version a try....but my Monkish/TH/Hill Farmstead/Cellermaker trained palate is not likely to be satisfied.
     
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  6. traction

    traction Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2010 Georgia
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    That Sam Adams NEIPA is actually a pretty good bargain. It is a solid NEIPA available for $10 for 6x12oz you don't see good stuff at that price point very often. Not a fan of Voodoo ranger either. As far as NEIPA's go I'd choose Sam Adams over Sierra Nevada (I think SN makes far better dark beers) but both are definitely ultra respected OG breweries and I can personally vouch for how awesome the folks at SN are.
     
  7. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I would say Cantillon. Why? Because the pre-2000 breweries attempts at NE IPAs are about as far from a real NEIPA as Cantillon's lambics are from an NEIPA and I would choose the lambics over those other attempts.
     
  8. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I think that's actually a good question. Who, from old school breweries, has successfully adopted this style?

    Sam Adams: I think this is a really solid example, quite tasty, and from a completely unexpected brewery. I much prefer it to the hazy Sierra Nevada offerings.

    New Belgium: I don't like all of the Voodoo Ranger series, but I like some of them quite a bit. They're hit or miss, and they're not astounding, but the ones they get right, they get very right.

    The Bruery: If you consider OffShoot beers under the Bruery umbrella, and consider them hazy or NE-style IPAs (I do), then they have to top the list.

    Other than that, I haven't been that impressed by many "big" or "old" breweries' takes on the style. Most of them can put out something palatable, but not necessarily what I would consider great, or even a particularly accurate attempt at the style.
     
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    @bubseymour, I’m wondering if you’ll need to translate “Y2K” for some of our younger members—they might have no idea what that term refers to :wink:
     
  10. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I feel the same way about a huge number of American sours and wild ales, so when the urge strikes- which is rarely- I opt for the European forebears.
     
  11. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Yeah, but that really has more to do with scale and logistics than anything else.
     
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    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    That's the year all of the computers went haywire, a pandemic swept the globe and politics became a lousy reality show. No, wait....
     
  13. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Wat?
     
  14. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Mountain Standard from Odell is incredible and imo it would drive its own hype train if it were produced by one of coveted, beanie baby breweries.
     
  15. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    Meh, so the apocalypse is 20 years behind schedule ...
     
  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    How so? Just the difficulties of brewing a quality batch of beer that specific at larger scale?

    I'm not sure if I 100% buy that. I know it's a challenge to overcome, but they also have more resources, more experience, more connections ... and some of them have done pretty well. Nothing in BBC's portfolio suggested that their NE IPA would be as good as it is, and most people tend to disagree with my take on Hazy Little Thing (it's just too dank for my preferences, honestly), so there are two big craft breweries who have arguably succeeded.

    That's not to say they are nailing Tree House clones; I'm not suggesting that, but I don't think the OP is, either. Rather, the challenge seems to be: "OK, here's a style. Here's the blueprint. Make a hazy, low IBU, juicy, soft IPA."

    I think scale, logistics, established customer base and expectations, etc. might be a good reason some breweries don't even take a stab at the style, but if they do, I don't see why they couldn't meet that challenge and come up with a decent, tasty NE-style IPA.
     
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  17. Jaycase

    Jaycase Grand Pooh-Bah (3,858) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    Had Central Waters Extremely Unsettled recently (I think CW qualifies for OP's criteria) and thought it was nicely done. Mandarina Bavaria hops are not among my favorite but this is just personal preference. Thought it was a nice beer otherwise and would get again if they switched up the hops used next time.
     
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  18. MistaRyte

    MistaRyte Pooh-Bah (2,681) Jan 14, 2008 Virginia
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    I really want to try Fantastic Haze... butt the Norfolk TW still has 6ers from December of last year... sigh.
     
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  19. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    From your other post I was responding to why they aren't making 'great' versions, maybe not Tree House clones but certainly up there; and I definitely think that scale and logistics does have a lot to do with it. Decent and tasty do already exist, it would seem. What can they do to close the gap would be a better question, perhaps?

    Let's keep in mind that freshness and shelf life are both very key to the style, and functioning at odds with large scale distribution of product. If a national brewer can get something to the consumer's hands in 3 to 4 weeks they're actually doing a pretty good job.

    Then there's the whole shelf life/centrifuging angle; obviously beers in wider distribution need to lean a lot harder in that direction. Smaller brewers who self-distribute can also insure that the beer is in constant refrigeration on the retailers end, and so package their beers accordingly.

    Consistency- again, brewers like SN and SA are much more tied to that, almost beholden to it even. They will blend out the greater variations as a result. Whereas smaller scale brewers will tend to actually have batch variation due to the nature of the hops that they are using at the time.

    All in all there does seem to be a ceiling that the bigger guys won't be able to get past due to their business model. But context also matters- if you're in the local sports pub watching a game then maybe a pint of Hazy Little Thing would be just what the doctor ordered. And it'll at least be available there.
     
  20. Insomniac

    Insomniac Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2019 Canada (ON)

    Great Lakes Brewery in Ontario has been around since 1987 and has just released an excellent NEIPA called Hazemama. If this brewery decides they’re doing an IPA, they pull it off. In fact, I’m cracking a Hazemama and the conclusion of this post.
     
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