Best Potential Beer

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by OldBrewer, Feb 12, 2016.

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  1. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    If you were to describe the characteristics of one of the best potential beers, what characteristics would you look for?
     
  2. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Strong even head, crisp carbonation, pleasant color, aromatic nose, and good taste.

    Why do you ask?
     
  3. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Based on many beer reviews, there are so many opinions about what constitutes some of the best beers in the World, or Country, but so few reasons why they are considered as such. It's also not clear as to which considerations are actually the most important and which requires more weighting than others. It would be interesting to know what characteristics people generally think are actually the most important or defining apart from the more established classifications or determinations. Things change over time, and there's no certainty that traditional criteria may still be valid.
     
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  4. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Taste is king with me, but that has to be comprised with malt flavors and hop varieties that I tend to like. and they need to be balanced for the right taste.
     
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  5. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't think your question can be answered in general terms honestly. If it were in regard to a specific beer style, however, then we could go on and on for you.
     
  6. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    IMO, "balance" is one of the key criteria.
     
  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    I'm OK with different beer styles.
     
  8. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I would argue that for certain styles balance is important, but there are plenty of styles where balance wouldn't be appropriate.
     
  9. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Please elaborate!
     
  10. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    A Munich Helles, for example, would be a beer style that favors a malty flavor profile rather than a hoppy/bitter flavor profile. Same with a Scottish Wee Heavy. American IPAs on the other hand, are way out of balance in the opposite direction, in an equally good way.

    I have become accustomed to thinking of 'balance' in relation to a specific beer style rather than beer as a whole, a much more general approach.
     
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  11. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Great observation. Also applies to sours, where there is no necessary need to "balance" hop bitterness against perceptual "sweetness". Also flavor hops have little purpose against the sensation of sourness.
     
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  12. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (590) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    Chalk me up as another fan of good balance. I guess that's why I'm not a huge fan DIPA'S...they just seem like unadulterated hop **** to me.
     
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  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Defiantly@FeDUBELFiST.

    A stout would be rosary, perhaps with chocolate or just roasted grains giving the roAsted edge, solid , thick mouthfeel and just enough hops to balance the sweetness, but not like an DIPA.
     
  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Interesting. This fuels my observation that "overbalance" like DIPA's are beginning to lose favor. Lately, from a personal subjective viewpoint, IPA's, seem to be preferred over DIPA's, and even very more recently, APA's seem to becoming more attractive than IPA's. Again, age might play a huge factor in this, as the sensitivity of taste buds may change significantly over time. Thus, both balance and age seem to be important criteria. Age is seldom - if ever - mentioned as an important criteria in terms of beer preferences.
     
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  15. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Sure, many stouts or strong brew benefit from aging, but I'd bet a lot a year old IPA would get would getmostlylow marks.
     
  16. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Actually, I was referring to the aging of the drinker, but the aging of the beer plays another important factor. Some beers (especially the higher gravity beers as well as sour beers) improve with aging, while others don't.
     
  17. ghostinthemachine

    ghostinthemachine Initiate (0) Aug 14, 2015 Louisiana

    Good marketing
     
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  18. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Probably one of the most criteria of all! Few are confidant enough to judge a beer based on their own mostly unbiased impressions. Even beer judges are trained how to judge a beer based on the combined opinions of a select number of others who defined the original criteria. For example, does cloudiness and color appearance really affect intrinsic good taste? Rarely does one speak out about a great beer he/she has truly enjoyed if there is any thought that the evaluation might be ridiculed by peers. We even drink beers in front of others and pretend that they are great if those beers have already been judged to be great, even if, deep inside, we think that those beers might be OK, but not as good as has been expressed by others. I wonder how many people think that certain beers are great only because they have been told that they are great, or because they head the lists as chosen by others? I'm sure that the commercial breweries depend on that very psychological trait. Just look at how popular the beers are that are advertised during major football/baseball/hockey events, even though some of those beers might be quite bland!
     
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  19. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Ageing of the drinker, sure peoples tastes change over time. What was once great is now ok and or completely discarded because something else is more appealing. The same example can be used with food.

    Ridiculed by peers, Sure, some want to be part of the pack or popular crowd. But on this site I've seen plenty of low ratings on so called popular or highly rated beers. All depends on the person and if they are confident in themselves and simply, they just did not agree with the ratings.

    Psychological, that goes partly to "good marketing as well as beer rating sites and awards won at competitions. if somebody else or some organisation rates a beer high or "world class" , thats my favorite line, then it must be. I'll bet many marketers really push the ratings with hype to the point where one would not dare rate this award winning beer less. Then you must add the dreaded "limited release". This is one of the best marketing ploys of all. Prices can and probabaly will be higher, long lines form to get the rare one of beers and once its gone, the hype continues on how great it is, or you really missed out on that one, etc. Its just the way it is and mostly has been with many products. look at kids toys where stampeeds of people rush in at the opening bell to get the limited quantity of the current popular toy their kid must have. Some beer drinkers are the same and drive long distance to get the rare vintage. kinda silly in my book, thats why i brew my own.
     
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  20. frothy_80

    frothy_80 Initiate (0) May 19, 2013 Missouri

    Regardless of style, absolutely no off flavors.
     
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