Big Bad Baptist batch 74 issues

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Yellowlt4, May 11, 2017.

  1. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    If you are sitting on Big Bad Baptist batch 74, keep them cold and drink them soon. The brewery has confirmed this batch has issues. I've discussed with the brewery and my local rep, they've pulled the stock from the shelves and have replaced my bottles. They are a stand up brewery!
     
  2. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Would like to see an email or another source confirming "batch issues". Your last post regarding BBB 74 2-3 weeks ago was removed by a mod. I've had my share of 74 and they were all fantastic.
     
  3. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    I'll try to post my discussion with the brewery and the rep tomorrow. But it is very much confirmed, I've had 2 bottles replaced and been sent a cool "gift" mail from the brewery. This is really just me trying to be polite to the community.
     
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  4. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    I see very few complaints about 74 tasting off. Maybe 1 in every 100 bottles. I just had a 74 (for the 11th time) about a month ago and it was more bourbon forward than 17 BCBS.

    An email, or some other source would be great. My go to store can't keep BBB on shelves and it's been all 74 since October 2016.
     
  5. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    Sure, I've had a couple bottles that were good as well. However, It's been pulled from the shelves here from at least 3 shops, I'll post the emails tomorrow.
     
  6. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Perhaps you need to look at how the distro is storing them if this has occurred at 3 different shops.
     
  7. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    This is very much NOT me trying to call out the brewery, I love Epic, but the fact is batch 74 has issues.
     
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  8. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    The brewery itself has admitted to the problem and actually asked me to help them track the batch 74 bottles.
     
  9. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Find it odd that 3 shops in whatever region Texas you are in has issues, but none of the shops around me do. I'm a frequent flyer to every shop in the area here. So, maybe it's a distro issue.
     
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  10. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    Here is the text from the brewery, I'll try to get "screen shots" tomorrow but it's more work than needed from my phone :

    Eric, Our Texas sales rep is in the area scouring it for any remnants of release #74. Do you recall were you purchased the bottle? We're trying to establish a distribution trail. Thanks for the help!
     
  11. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    I believe you. Sounds like a distro storage issue. Checking UnT, there's a lot more complaints about "sour/infection" now than there was 2 months ago, by 5 fold. Sounds like a storage problem.

    I don't doubt there is something going on, but I think it's storage related and not brewery related. How do the complaints of sour/infection increase exponentially over the last 2 months, when there have been 9 batches since 74 (batch 83 was released in December 2016), and why are retailers still receiving 74 from distros?
     
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  12. Yellowlt4

    Yellowlt4 Initiate (51) Sep 21, 2016 Texas

    I'm just relaying information directly from the brewery. They told me directly that batch 74 had issues and they are pulling it from the market.
     
  13. bigbubbagumper6

    bigbubbagumper6 Initiate (17) Feb 22, 2016 Michigan

    I'm curious how improper storage could infect a beer, please elaborate.
     
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  14. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,247) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    Double barrel wa
    Warm storage can expedite infection.
    I am more curious who can't get a screenshot off their phone...
     
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  15. maximum12

    maximum12 Poo-Bah (3,894) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    While true, it sounds like the questioning above was more about "Gee, maybe it was stored improperly & that caused the infection". Poor storage doesn't cause infections, which I believe most people understand.

    Also, some of us were born in the 1800s. The only way I can think of to take a screen shot off my phone is to take a picture of it. With my Polaroid.
     
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  16. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    A lot of people call something infected when it tastes off and really isn't infected.
     
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  17. Sparta

    Sparta Initiate (0) Nov 5, 2013 Oregon

    @Yellowlt4 said it "has issues," not that it was infected. You seem to be implying that he/she means infected
     
  18. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    My response was to @maximum12. Regardless, the OP still hasn't mentioned what these "issues" are.
     
  19. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    Please stop with all the ignorant comments about storage. The beer storage has nothing do with what was introduced into the bottles.

    Lots of variety of bacterias can ferment simple sugars, some are slower and faster than others. Where the beer was stored after bottling has not a damn thing to do with the introduction of the bacteria or wild yeasts.

    Warm storage can wake up undesirable fermentation, but it shouldn't be blamed for the fault of the brewery. That being said a smaller brewery isn't going to have the lab resources to find every little problem.

    If the brewery is willing to replace bottles, that's great. But the ignorant comments are not appropriate. Why blame the retailer on storage issues when it was introduced at the brewery?

    These things happen, and more often than not, even the biggest most successful breweries have some introduction of bacterias and yeast...some take months to be noticeable. Nobody is perfect.
     
  20. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    I think you should read an entire thread before commenting. The OP never mentioned what he thinks is wrong with the batch and what Epic said is wrong with the batch. I mentioned a lot of people on Untappd are complaining of sour/infection -- and the complaints seem to have increased exponentially over the past 2 months. The OP never mentioned "sour/infection" and I never insinuated he did. Nobody suggested improper storage can infect beers. But we all know what improper storage can do. Suffice to say, the OP hasn't been helpful.
     
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  21. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    In addition, most people don't know the difference between infection, a bad batch not up to standards, or increased age due to improper storage. Untappd users aren't the most credible when it comes to these things.
     
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  22. Danny124

    Danny124 Initiate (79) Mar 21, 2009 Texas

    For what it's worth, I popped a bottle of 74 a couple of nights ago, purchased in Austin TX at a Total Wine. I've had at least a bottle of every batch that has made it down here because it's one of my favorites-- but this one was definitely off. It had the usual sour cherry thing that I've tasted in a few infection-verified beers (09 Abyss, BCBS last year or whenever). I'M not saying it's infected; just mentioning what the taste reminded me of.

    Total Wine is famous on here for old beer/ warm-storage and all, which would surely speed along any problems, but not put them in the bottle.
     
  23. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,247) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    Speaking of ignorant comments, wild yeast and bacteria typically ferment out more complex carbs since brewers yeast will ferment out the simple sugars.
     
  24. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,460) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Really? Link to that research?

    Also, in your experience is a brewery more likely to say their beer has issues, or their beer is infected?
     
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  25. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (84) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    If you want me to change my words for your approval, I can: Most people, in my experience, don't know the difference between infection, a bad batch not up to standards, or increased age due to improper storage. It happens on BA, RB, UT, etc.

    In my experience, a brewery is more likely to say neither.
     
  26. cavedave

    cavedave Poo-Bah (2,460) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    In my experience a brewery will say anything except infection, and will comment when enough voices are raised.

    When it is widespread and most of the notes are "sour cherry" for a stout, it is infection, in my experience.

    But like you that is just my own experience, i.e. anecdotal, and not something I can link to in the way of a study, or which I would open my mouth with a great deal of certainty without even tasting the beers in question. I would refer you to the threads, beginning to end, of 2016 BCBS and variants. There were many comments at the beginning of that awful infected stout that were just like yours here. Proved as wrong as wrong gets.
     
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  27. jp_stargazer

    jp_stargazer Initiate (0) Jun 27, 2017 Illinois

    I purchased a bottle of batch 74 a while back in Milwaukee, WI area. When I heard about this "issue" I decided to chill and open. It was definitely tart and nothing like the previous batch that I had tasted (68 maybe, I don't recall). I also have a bottle of batch 73 unopened at home, along with a 2016 Double Barrel Baptist, which sound like they will both be just fine.

    I will continue to buy this beer when I travel and come across it but I will avoid batch 74 for sure.

    Jason
     
  28. Glennthebeersnob

    Glennthebeersnob Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2017 Texas

    I also spoke to the rep for Texas (Davis Howe). He is a stand up guy, as he replaced both of my infected bottles and bought me a beer at a local craft bar.
    I asked him about the issue and the problem was infection. If you have a #74 you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting an infected beer. This is due to contamination on 2 of the 6 filler nozzles at the brewery. With that said, it won't harm you, it just doesn't taste good.

    Again both Davis and Epic have been great in how they handled it.
     
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  29. DaveClark

    DaveClark Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2018 Texas

    I opened a bottle of 74 last night and it was sour. I purchased it in Austin back in the summer and it was stored at 53F since purchase. I've got two more so hopefully I nailed the odds of 1 in 3...
     
  30. ZebulonXZogg

    ZebulonXZogg Defender (664) May 5, 2015 Illinois
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    I've only managed to do it accidentally and then said "WTF".
     
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  31. scream

    scream Defender (635) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin

    That'd be me ! Does your phone need a camera to do that ?

    Do you remember how you did it ?
     
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  32. Lahey

    Lahey Disciple (387) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    For my phone i press and hold the power button together with the button on the face of the phone at the same time. I don't know if all phones are the same though...
     
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  33. bmk814

    bmk814 Initiate (32) Dec 27, 2017 Pennsylvania
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  34. scream

    scream Defender (635) Dec 6, 2014 Wisconsin

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    Would that work w this phone ?

    There is no power button assuggested by ZebulonXZogg
     
  35. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Meyvn (1,247) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado

    I think that's a Nokia. Can you play "snake" on it?
     
  36. MILBRV12

    MILBRV12 Initiate (0) Dec 28, 2017 Wisconsin

    Purchased a bottle just before Christmas and finally got to it several days later. Tasted like sour cherries. Returned it to Discount Liquor, no questions asked, and took a bottle of Batch 92.
     
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  37. mschrei

    mschrei Poo-Bah (1,576) Jul 4, 2014 Illinois

    Anybody hear about issues with batch 86?
     
  38. AZBeerDude72

    AZBeerDude72 Meyvn (1,394) Jun 10, 2016 Arizona
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    Mine looks like it say 002 and its as sour as shit, how sad. The coffee is still around but man the funk ass smell is insta drain pour. Tastes so bad.
     
  39. spark3148857

    spark3148857 Crusader (712) Dec 4, 2010 California

    Just opened my second bottle of #92. Tart green apple...first bottle consumed months ago was exemplary. So disappointing.
     
  40. MaximalC

    MaximalC Crusader (701) Jan 3, 2010 Illinois

    I just cracked open a bottle from Batch 86 and it tasted more like a sour ale than a stout. Nothing but soy sauce and green apples. Very disappointed :slight_frown:.
     
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