Big Barleywine - When to Secondary

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  1. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    The 1.112OG Barleywine that I brewed 3-1/2 weeks ago still has a krausen over the top, nothing huge but it's a solid layer that's not broken to see beer through it in any spots, and has yet to fully recede back into the beer. Granted it has gone from 1" to a coating, thank you FermCap-S for giving no need for a blowoff tube!!!

    I wanted to transfer to secondary Sunday (4 wks in primary) but thought that the krausen should fall first. I think I remember reading that the proteins in the krausen are something you want in the beer and not blown off through a blowoff tube so thinking in that way I am wanting to have them fallout. Supposedly (don't quote me on this) it helps head retention and some other factors in a beer.

    It's been a bit chilly in my house and the fermenter has been around 61 for the fermentation so that could be slowing the process a bit.

    Recipe: http://hopville.com/recipe/1672856 - Input Anyone???
     
  2. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    Have you reached FG?
     
  3. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    I was going to check Sunday when I planned on going to secondary but I have never seen a krausen holding on for this long so it got me thinking...
     
  4. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    I would likely keep that beer in the primary for 2-3 weeks after the krausen has fallen. There is quite a bit of cleanup that yeast can still do. I would also not use a secondary, but understand a lot of people do (especially for a beer like this).
     
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  5. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    I am not one to use a secondary and am kind of against it for 95% of the beers I brew. I only use a secondary for fruit aging, or oak aging, or extended aging. This beer is massive and will be over 12% so my friend and I decided to brew it together and to let it bulk age in a secondary carboy all summer and bottle it in the fall to be drank around the holidays.
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Taste it. If it is cleaned up and no off flavors it is good to go. Some diacetyl or other fermentation by products, leave it on the cake. The do not go by the calendar.
     
  7. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    I know that there is not calendar for brewing but I wanted to see if people had a krausen hang around that long to eventually fall back into the beer or will I just need to siphon the beer out from under it?
     
  8. mnstorm99

    mnstorm99 Initiate (0) May 11, 2007 Minnesota

    There are two ways to skin a cat...
    I keg, so I would probably age it in a keg (flushed and purged with Co2)...then bottle off that.
    But, if I didn't have that ability I would probably only bulk age if oak was being used. Otherwise I would just bottle it and let it age in the bottles. Bulk aging has worked for me in the past, but I do everything in my power to avoid oxygen, especially in a beer I might want to enjoy in 2+ years.
     
  9. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    That's what I was thinking you were going to say. Take a gravity and see where is it and transfer if you hit it. It's been 4 week already and clean up will continue via the yeast in suspension anyway.

    I never heard anything about the krausen having anything vital to the beer but have read certain strains may have krausen that doesn't drop properly.

    We ferment in 15 gallon sanke kegs, I can't even see the krausen.
     
  10. HopNuggets

    HopNuggets Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2009 Connecticut

    Just read it in the FermCap-S description when I ordered from MoreBeer: http://morebeer.com/products/foam-control-fermcaps-1-oz.html
     
  11. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    I guess you could make that assumption, but that's not exactly what it says. Makes sense though, certain proteins help head retention, and the krausen is made up of proteins... I guess you can always let it sit longer if you are worried.

    But how many of those proteins aren't blown off at all and how many of those that had been blown off already fell with some of the krausen? (it sounds at least some of it receded)

    I have no answer to those questions.
     
  12. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    It depends on the yeast. I have never used 099, but some British yeasts will form a dense, pancake like, krausen that stays on top for a long time even when it is done.
     
  13. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    You have to be somewhat careful on big beers like this one. Don't let the temperature fall to low. 61 is not excessively low, but it’s not ideal for the 099 strain. It could stall on you if you’re not careful.

    I wouldn’t worry too much about the Krausen falling before racking the beer. It’s a big beer with adequate protein constituents for head retention. If it is within a couple points of FG, I would rack it to a purged secondary or keg (vented). Expect some renewed vigor in the fermentation. Then let it finish out.
     
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