Black IPA as "Regular" Russian Stout -- A Thought Experiment

No.

 

It is still an ale. All of the other stuff is just a way to classify. Call it black hoppy beer and that is okay too.

 

I like your reasoning behind this..but comparing something like a Hop In The Dark to a Gonzo....idk, I don't really see that strong of similarities. Depends on the Black IPA I guess

 

Give it 10 years to differentiate itself as a recognizable style and we'll talk then.

 

Think of it as a darker shade of pale.

 

Except that beers of this type were brewed in the 1880s.Black but otherwise resembling Pale Ale.
http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/black-ipa.html

 

As always, an interesting discussion on Ron’s blog.

I took note in the comments section:

“Gary Gillman said...

In my view, a coloured pale ale could not have tasted like a regular one. Clearly the Burton porter was close enough to the real thing to be sold as porter in overseas markets familiar with porter.”

My read of Gary’s comment is that he viewed the Black Pale Ale as being really a Black Porter (e.g., an Export India Porter in the parlance of Evin of Kernal Brewery).

Cheers!

 

This brings to mind Bateman's Victory Ale, as it was during the 80s/90s- more of a 'black ale', for lack of a better term, with a translucent ruby-black color. (According to the current reviews, the beer going by that name today doesn't resemble what I recall). It certainly had a slight roast component, but that was secondary to the hops, yeast and other malts- and you'd never mistake it for a porter. Maybe a hoppy Mild, if you can accept a 6% Mild. I rather enjoyed that beer- imagine a beefier, more hopped-up Riggwelter and you'd approximate it.

 

Have to say not a Black IPA fan until I tried Stone Sublimely Self Righteous, = awesome stuff. Wookey Jack as well. The other I tried just tasted like burnt malt, hated them.

 

I had wondered what had become Victory Ale, which was featured on the Beer Hunter miniseries.

 

Found this on the Bateman's website;
Victory Ale
ABV 6.0%
Tasting Notes:
A pale copper coloured, rewarding beer brewed with pale and crystal malts and hopped with English Goldings and American Liberty hops. The aroma booms with peppery hops and bitter oranges, balanced by fresh bread maltiness. Hops and fruit dominate the palate, while the finish has sappy malt, tart fruit and lingering hop bitterness.

I was at a meeting a few years ago when Jonathan Bateman announced that Victory Ale was to be reintroduced. I can't remember its previous incarnation though.

 

Not really, I think RIS beers are more similar to Cascadian Dark Ales.

 

"D"- all of the above.

Styles are ranges and not specific targets.

Many examples have been provided with ranges that bleed into many of the styles.

Recipe, process, and final product all are variables for consideration. The dichotomy of "both/and" vs. "either/or".

 

I prefer Brown IPA's, White IPA's, Red IPA's all over Black IPA's. IPA IPA's are so passe.

No...wait, I'm wrong. All the former's suck, I'll stick to IPA IPA's.

 

Black IPA = hoppy porter, problem solved

 

I prefer CDA, cascadian dark ale.