Black IPA

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by GeeL, Oct 18, 2012.

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  1. GeeL

    GeeL Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2008 Massachusetts

    I saw the post from back in August. I don't mean to resurrect an old topic, but just want to run this by you. I used the recipe from HB42 as a guide then pulled some ideas from another post somewhere.
    15# Pale malt
    1# Carafa III (or whatever my LHBS has that will make it black but not bitter, dark wheat maybe?)
    12 oz Crystal 60
    12 oz Aromatic
    8 oz pale chocolate
    3 oz Chinook @60
    1 oz Simcoe @0
    1 oz Amarillo @0
    WL001 or something clean and neutral.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    5 gallon batch?

    Seems heavy on the bittering charge (I'm purely guessing that on "average" Chinook you're pushing 90 IBUs), and real weak on the flavour hops. Also, any dry hop?

    As for the grainbill, it'll work, but what gravity are you aiming for and how roasty do you want it?
     
  3. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    I'll chime in and say it seems heavy on the bittering addition. I'd hopburst with more than 2 oz. I love the hop varietals though. 3 of my favorites.
     
  4. GeeL

    GeeL Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2008 Massachusetts

    I'm looking for a higher gravity, 1.076 is what this clocks in at. Flavor: malty and thick but not a lot of roastiness, just black. I was shooting for about 95 IBUs (could cut back a bit), as for flavor I could up it to 2oz. Not sure about hopbursting, is that when all the hops are dumped in at 15 min?
     
  5. itsjustzach

    itsjustzach Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2006 Ohio

    I would skip the chocolate malt and just use either dehusked carafa or midnight wheat to get the color you want. As is, your malt bill looks more like how I would conceive a higher gravity porter, which isn't how I would aproach a black IPA if I had the desire to make one.
     
  6. Ruslanchik

    Ruslanchik Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2008 Texas

    Agreed. If you are looking for an IPA that is black, drop the chocolate malt. The recipe as listed wouldn't taste like a porter really, more like a brown ale, I guess. But that chocolate malt is definitely going to impart some coffee flavors. Not that it wouldn't be tasty, I just don't think that is what you are going for from what you have said above.
     
  7. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    I would drop the aromatic and the chocolate malt, keep the crystal for depth. Use carafa ii or iii special or other huskless roasted malt like chocolate wheat or chocolate rye (or any combo) -these malts should be around 6-7% of your total grist.

    On the hops side, I would bitter to about 70 -75 ibus for a 1.076 OG beer as the dark malts add to the perception of bitterness - and if its Chinook, I would even cut back to 60 ibus - but I would use something else personally. On the late additions you are severely lacking - you need to overcome the dark malt character with hop flavor/aroma otherwise you are just going to end up with a porter (like most commercial versions). For 5 gals. I would probably go with at least 4 ozs. near flameout and another 3-4 ozs of dryhops.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The 1 lb. of Carafa III sounds ‘heavy’ to me. My niece’s husband made a tasty Black IPA which used 12 ounces of dark crystal and 4 ounces of Carafa III and no other specialty grains. Maybe cut the amount of Carafa III back.

    I would also recommend that you up the late hops to something like 3-4 ounces of hops from 15 minutes left in the boil and including dry hopping. Perhaps a 50/50 mix of the Simcoe and Amarillo with additions of:

    · 15 minutes of boil: 1 ounce of 50/50 mix hops
    · At flameout: 1 ounce of 50/50 mix hops
    · Dry hop: 2 ounces of 50/50 mix hops

    Cheers!
     
  9. GeeL

    GeeL Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2008 Massachusetts

    Thanks!
     
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