Black Note, what's it take?

Too much. But that's not a surprise given that there were only 1,000 or so bottles released, to my understanding. I offered an AftW for one and was basically told that wasn't good enough.

 

I offered my Cadillac for one. Dude told me that also I needed to pay 6 months of insurance too.

 

I traded one for an 05 Fou Foune and another (plus a few small things) for 50N 4E
Also traded one for a Mimosa and a Ba Damon

 

AftW is a way beeter beer than Black note! wowzers.

 

Wasn't AftW a case limit of 24 at the brewery, didn't sell out for a little while, and was a multiple thousand bottle count? That and it is 12oz and costs less than a Black Note...

I'm not saying it isn't better, but the fact is many people would take the above into consideration and know they wouldn't have to trade a Black Note to get an AftW...

 

Bottle count is certainly going to be a big factor here. With a 2 bottle limit, people are not going to be letting go of their bottles so easily.

One bottle of AftW just does not add up on many scales. I remember reading someone trading half a caseish of AftW for a Black Note. The idea was half an allotment for half an allotment. I am not sure I would have given up that much but people are more likely to hold out for better offers when things like this are out there.

Would I do a Black Note for AftW? Hell yes, but it would take more than one bottle.

 

Just to clarify, Adam from the Wood sold out very quickly. There were plenty of people who lined up outside the tasting room early in the morning who left empty handed. Black Note, on the other hand, was available at Bell's for several days. I am aware of someone who traded six bottles of AftW for one Black Note, and even that seems like a hefty price to pay for the Black Note. I guess it's possible that somebody traded 144 oz/$180 of AftW for 25 oz/$23 of Black Note, but it seems unlikely, especially when the retail price of 12 Adam from the Woods is approaching the auction price of Black Note.

 

Traded a Czar jack for one.

 

Black Note was available for a day and a half FYI.

 

Black Note is good, but nothing about it stood out to me. There are plenty of more readily available stouts out there that are better. Just my opinion, I know everyone has different tastes. Don't trade your cellar for it. By the way, I wish I had one so I could trade it to you for some ftw brews.

 

Yes...a silent release will do that...in addition it was not available for "several" days. And the fact remains you could get 24 AftW while you could get 2 BN.

 

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

I only had Black Note on tap, and while it was a REALLY good beer I don't think I'll be killing myself to get a bottle. It's definitely an awesome beer, but if I had a bottle I would honestly trade it for a few Hair of the Dog FtW beers.

 

i can't speak from experience or intimate knowledge on this, but i think it's just the bottle limit and size of the release.

"but shouldn't--"

no no, i mean i think that's why people aren't interested yet; they're not justifying their actions by thinking about value / size / bottle limit / effort, etc, they're simply not interested.

if you really want the beer, i'd suggest continuing to post similar ISOs while gradually upping your offer. chances are that the right person just didn't see the ISO, unless you're getting offers and are unwilling to do the combo people are asking for. then, maybe, you're just asking for too much. (shrug)

p.s. if i had "1000 bottle release 1-off, 2 bottle limit, BA imperial stout from relatively large, respected brewery," i'd do the trade with your ISO (combo of some of them, definitely including AftW). but that doesn't matter, because i don't have any black note.

edit: was AftW in your ISO? i know it had bourbon fred and a bunch of others. anyway, the point is the same.

 

Ahh, Pahn that is like bench racing when you say you'd do that trade. Until you have the beer you don't know what you'd actually do

 

no doubt. for all i know, if i made it known that i had the beer, my inbox would blow up and i'd quickly forget the idea of taking huskyinpdx's offer, combined or otherwise.

*legibility note* the following bracketed expression is a noun-phrase; it refers to the people i am addressing.

as always, [people who use forums to gauge value because they erroneously believe it's some objective thing that can be "found out about"], remember that no offer or speculation means a thing unless it's in the context of real negotiation. i just offered a naive opinion (shrug).

edit: p.s. i hate the way i write online.

 

you're right. i consider expedition stout, even though it's not barrel aged, to be a better beer than black note. but black note is exceptionally well done and highly drinkable. try drinking a pint of black tuesday. if you're a fan of bells and the beers they make black note is worth seeking out.

 

The way I look at it: ~1,700 bottles of AftW vs ~1,000 bottles of BN. They're about even in my book. I don't care how many you could have gotten. What if I got an AftW in a trade and only had one bottle to offer in a trade for BN? That's a lot different than only having 24 bottles. And when making a trade offer, it's really no one's business how many bottles you've got. That shouldn't make a difference.

I'm not saying that 1xAftW for BN alone would get it done, but I think that 1xAftW would be a start, with some extras to round out the $4$ difference, should be enough to get it done.

And I'm obviously not bitter, right? No, really. I'm glad I didn't get this one done.

 

The one thing that you are not taking into account is the fact that about 50 people bought all of those cases of aftw and are presumably hoarding most of it. If black note had a two bottle limit and only 100 bottles were released, then you would have a more comparable comparison.

 

the 'should's are mistakes.

all shoulds have sort of an "if" clause, with the 'should' part as a "then" clause.

if you want to play guitar, you should practice.
if you want to brew beer, you should read this or that homebrewing book/site.
if you want to get my beer, you should offer such and such.

what's the "if" clause for your 'should's? "if the world is fair"? "if everyone thinks the way i do"?

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compare with:
"guys, what does it take to trade for X?"
"well, a Y should get it done."

all this means is "i think a Y will probably get it done." it does not mean that a Y is supposed to get it done; that it ought to, like there's some ethics here or something.

the "should" whereby an agent is compelled to action functions such that s/he "should" do something in order to accomplish some goal. your trading partner specifies their own goal, so you really don't know what they should or shouldn't do, unless they clarify it for you themselves.

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wrote this long post not because i'm the wordiest man alive, but because i think it seems like a lot of people don't get this fundamental concept... i feel that it's a pretty important one. if you "should" do something, "why should i?" is always a worthwhile question. [edit: to be more direct, i mean that if you ever feel "so and so SHOULD have traded me that beer," you've got the wrong idea about trading, in a big way.]