Black Saisons

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  1. bfields4

    bfields4 Zealot (585) Dec 11, 2007 Colorado

    So, I've been on a big saison kick lately, and I'm curious if there are any good black saisons floating around out there? I'm guessing they could also be classified as a belgian dark ale, but they always seem kind of sweet. Looking for something that's dry and crisp maybe even slightly hoppy.

    -Cheers
    Ben
     
  2. Kerrie

    Kerrie Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2012 Michigan

    I wish I could help... the only black saison I've ever seen or heard of is a local seasonal in my area that doesn't distribute. Bastone Brewery's Saison Noir. I'm mainly writing this to see everyone's responses because I'm also interested in more and the "watch thread" option has never actually worked for me. Cheers!
     
  3. Ri0

    Ri0 Poo-Bah (2,562) Jul 1, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Prairie Ales Funky Galaxy may be what you're looking for.
     
  4. BB1313

    BB1313 Poo-Bah (2,668) Jul 16, 2009 Ohio

    New Holland Four Witches is the only one I recall having.. it was decent, but didn't remind me much of a saison at all.. it was an anise/black licorice bomb..
     
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  5. kbuzz

    kbuzz Champion (850) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina
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    Tired hands guillemot nebula. One of my top five beers of the year so far.
     
  6. djsmith1174

    djsmith1174 Disciple (343) Aug 21, 2005 Minnesota


    This is the only one I've ever had. Exact same thing I thought about it.
     
  7. Dweedlebug

    Dweedlebug Disciple (371) Feb 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

  8. Robtobfest

    Robtobfest Disciple (367) Oct 21, 2009 Connecticut
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    St Somewhere Serge is great.
     
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  9. CrackTheSkye

    CrackTheSkye Initiate (135) Nov 3, 2011 Maryland
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    I don't know if you would have access to anything from Stillwater here in Baltimore but they are experts in the style. I had their Jaded the other day and was quite tasty. However its technically a Belgian strong dark, and actually really caramel in color I don't know if it's what your really looking for. However their Folklore sounds like just what your looking for.
     
  10. Hoptometrist

    Hoptometrist Meyvn (1,059) Mar 19, 2011 Ohio

    I enjoyed the Stone collaboration Black Saison at a beer fest, http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/147/87091

    I still see a couple of them on shelves even though it was a one-time collaboration and I think it hit shelves about a year ago.
     
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  11. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (198) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    Magic Hat has a brown saison...
     
  12. Kerrie

    Kerrie Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2012 Michigan

    Unfortunately, I didn't like that one...
    I'm assuming by your "..." that you didn't think much of it. Neither did I, sadly.
     
  13. Zaphog

    Zaphog Poo-Bah (2,211) Sep 23, 2011 Michigan
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    Hill Farmstead Edith is tasty as hell!
     
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  14. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,474) Dec 2, 2009 New York
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    i had a really fantastic one at a fest once, but it was a brewery like boulevard's experimental beer (think it was boulevard), and the brewer there said it had been axed. i thought it was awesome and deserved to be bottled.

    had a great one from hill farmstead i think, but other than that my memory's murky. wouldn't be surprised if stillwater makes a good one.

    underrepresented style despite the beer geek trendiness of saisons. meh.
     
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  15. jRocco2021

    jRocco2021 Disciple (351) Mar 13, 2010 Wisconsin
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    I had still waters a saison darkly and really liked it no idea on availability but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
     
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  16. WillemHC

    WillemHC Aspirant (205) Jun 21, 2013 Utah
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    Stone did a colab black smoked saison with Stillwater and Evil Twin. I actually just bought a bottle that I found in Portland, OR, but haven't had it yet.

    Also important to note (although I may be corrected on this matter) is that I probably would not consider a black saison a belgian dark ale. Belgian dark ale may too easily be confused with belgian dark strong ale, which wouldn't be anywhere near the style of any variation of something that could still be called a saison.
     
  17. superspak

    superspak Poo-Bah (13,203) May 5, 2010 Michigan
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    This, Stillwater Existent, Fantome Black Ghost, and Jolly Pumpkin De Viento(best of the lot IMO) are all of the highly enjoyable ones I have had.
     
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  18. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Meyvn (1,479) Aug 29, 2012 Michigan
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    Some of the ones I came to suggest have already been mentioned... Pepe Nero (probably my top recommendation) and Stone/Stillwater/Evil Twin "The Perfect Crime" being another.

    Also, I personally enjoyed the Green Flash/St. Feuillien Friendship Brew, although it seems to be a pretty polarizing beer around here. On the bright side, that probably means it can still be found pretty easily...

    Lastly, Hof Ten Dormaal makes a pretty tasty "dark" saison: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/23031/66686. I wouldn't call it black like the others that have been suggested, but it's definitely in that Belgian Dark Ale wheelhouse. When I had it, it struck me as analogous to a dunkelweizen the same way a standard farmhouse would be analogous to a hefeweizen, if that makes sense.
     
  19. vfgccp

    vfgccp Poo-Bah (2,708) Oct 28, 2010 New York
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    I've had Stillwater's A Saison Darkly and the Evil Twin/Stillwater/Stone Collab The Perfect Crime and didn't love either. Actually think my bottle of The Perfect Crime was skunky and that's why I still have 1 of the 2 I bought. Goose Island's Pepe Nero is pretty good and you'll be able to find that much easier, so I'd look for that. I have one in my cellar myself.
     
  20. vfgccp

    vfgccp Poo-Bah (2,708) Oct 28, 2010 New York
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    Good call, Existent is really good. Especially the barrel aged version.
     
  21. joelwlcx

    joelwlcx Initiate (198) Apr 23, 2007 Minnesota

    It's magic hat... 'Nuff said.
     
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  22. WilderPegasus

    WilderPegasus Initiate (0) Dec 16, 2012 Ontario (Canada)

    If you don't mind an Imperial Black Saison, there's Dieu Du Ciel's Isseki Nicho.
     
  23. Papparoachy

    Papparoachy Initiate (199) Apr 11, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Another vote for Stillwater's Existent and A Saison Darkly. In fact, they have many amazing saisons.
     
  24. hopsputin

    hopsputin Meyvn (1,218) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    I had a bottle of that - The Perfect Crime. Didn't enjoy it much - flavors clashed a little too much for me. Pepe Nero wasn't bad
     
  25. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota

    There might be some good ones, but it's like a white IPA - bullshit.
     
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  26. atomic

    atomic Disciple (332) Sep 22, 2009 Illinois
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    Pepe Nero is kinda weird when fresh. Not bad, but not very good either. But I found 2 4pks on the shelves at a hole in the wall from February 2011 that was discounted, and thought, eh why not? It was amazing. Went back and bought the second 4pk they had.
     
  27. TheBishopco

    TheBishopco Devotee (456) Feb 4, 2011 Tennessee
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    Jolly Pumpkin Bam Noir is tasty and easily available.
     
  28. Stevedore

    Stevedore Poo-Bah (4,059) Nov 16, 2012 Wisconsin
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    Hill Farmstead Phenomenology of Spirit
     
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  29. Pahn

    Pahn Meyvn (1,474) Dec 2, 2009 New York
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    it's always nice to refute oneself in a short sentence.
     
  30. sacrelicio

    sacrelicio Initiate (0) Feb 15, 2005 Minnesota

    You're telling me.
     
  31. MarioM

    MarioM Zealot (514) Sep 13, 2009 California

  32. ThirstyFace

    ThirstyFace Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 New York

    If you are speaking of Seance then you aren't doing the OP any favors
     
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  33. TequilaSauer

    TequilaSauer Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2006 Florida

    One of my favorites in recent memory was Green Flash. The Stone collab and Terrapin Tomfoolery were also good, but all 3 of these are not regularly brewed so they might be tough to find.
     
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  34. 1up

    1up Disciple (361) Mar 5, 2013 District of Columbia

    Mad Fox has one called Reynard's Black Saison. It's a bit on the sweet side but I liked it, though it was a long time ago and my palate (pallet for people using this site) has changed quite a bit since then:

    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/23201/75571
     
  35. ncstateplaya

    ncstateplaya Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2008 North Carolina


    Man, I had my first experience with Pepe Nero a few weeks ago. I guess I wasn't exactly sure what to expect, but I was a little disappointed. The way I have described it to friends is a yeasty thin bodied porter. It left me wishing it had more of something, just not quite sure of what I wanted more of. An enigma...have revisited it on two other occasions, still leaves me scratching my head. :confused:
     
  36. Can_has_beer

    Can_has_beer Savant (935) May 14, 2013 Texas
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    I have had only about 4 different ones of this style. Funky Galaxy was very nice, but my favorite was La Grippe by Solemn Oath. Had it last December in their taproom...it was more of an imperial black saison, IMO.
     
  37. Can_has_beer

    Can_has_beer Savant (935) May 14, 2013 Texas
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  38. bfields4

    bfields4 Zealot (585) Dec 11, 2007 Colorado

    Had this guy last night. Great suggestion. Right up my alley
     
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    unclekeith Defender (693) Sep 4, 2012 Alaska
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  40. kdb150

    kdb150 Devotee (473) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    Regular Guillemot is one of the best beers I've ever had.
     
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