Black & Wild to BCBS Variants ratio

Not sure how abundant Black & Wild will be after the next release but in no way will it come close to the quantity of any Bourbon County variant. I think you'd have no problem getting 3, maybe 4 bottles. That said, I'm not sure why you'd do that since I think you probably have access to things that could trade for the Bourbon County variants that are less desirable. Limited Perennial stuff, more abundant Side Project released, maybe even some limited 4 Hands stuff or 2nd Shift stuff.

Whenever you trade quality for quantity (though, yeah, Bourbon County variants are high quality too) you lose the ability to trade for low bottle count stuff. In other words high quality low bottle count stuff can trade for other high quality low bottle count stuff or quantity; but quantity can't always trade for high quality low bottle count stuff. That may not mean anything to you but I thought I'd point it out.

 

yeah but this is an instance where quality doesn't really come into play. OP may just want to trade 1 great beer for 3 great beers which is totally rational...and actually the other way around is way less rationale.

 

Quality always comes into play. There's plenty of 400 bottle count stuff I have out here in Washington that won't trade for anything. Two Beers 7th Anniversary Sour anyone? Low bottle count / rarity compensates for quality / quantity / dollar differences, but it's not sufficient on its own. You even acknowledge this by saying 1 GREAT beer for 3 GREAT beers; not 1 mediocre beer for 3 great or some other ratio which includes quality.

Not sure I get the point about which was is more "rational." If you want to get more beers and trade up in dollars, the 1 for 3 (or 4) is rational. If you care more about landing that one really hard to get beer, like a KBBS / Morning Delight / A&T / etc, it's more rational to save the Black & Wild to build a deal for those since it's a better anchor than multiples of Bourbon County variants ... particularly if the trader can get stuff that's less rare than B&W that will still get the job done. So what's rational depends on how your goals stack up.

Of course 1 for 3 or 4 is the easier option than trying to use big beers to get equally big beers. If the OP goes that route I think some cool local stuff would be in order to close the considerable $ difference.

Cheers!

 

I'm saying it's easy to argue that this:

is more rational behavior than this:

b/c you are trading on the basis of how rare the beer is, not how good it tastes.

 

Sorry about it not coming to Missouri. How did you find that out? I'm assuming nc won't be getting any either in MO isn't.

 

Word. My assumption was one may want to do both. That's why I said "how your goals stack up." I, for example, wouldn't mind getting some of the next batch of BCBS variants ... but might also want to try Voodoo Tenacious Wee aged in Buffalo Trace because I really love barrel aged wee heavies. Voodoo "taste" wise probably isn't as good as BCBS variants, but it's rarer. So, voila, I would build a trade for the rarer "less good" item off of my "rarer" item and trade some less rare stuff I have access to for the BCBS variants.

And, besides, who said taste is "rational"? Someone might really want to know what all the fuss is about regarding some rare beer. Not all pursuit of rarity is ticking.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I think we probably pretty much agree. I'm not saying trade for garbage because it's rare. But you can't pretend you shouldn't consider rarity when trying to land the beers you really want to try. I was just offering the OP some food for thought. B&W trades don't go down all that often.

 

I had this question posed to me by a BA friend as there's potential of unloading his B&W for Prop when it comes out. Due to his awareness of my unending love for that beer, I was asked if I would be interested. Absolutely! But...I have no unbiased opinion of what is fair here either. Thing is, I know of someone that has a pre-trade set up with 2 Props for a Cable Car (they're friends so I know that factors in). Relatively speaking, I know B&W wouldn't pull a CC on it's own, so should B&W pull less than 2 Props? 1 & a Vanilla? That seems light, so I'm leaning towards thinking 2 Props is a fairer offer despite knowledge of that other deal that will get done.

The other consideration is that B&W b2 was already being tasted from the barrel(s). If I'm not mistaken, b1 came from one barrel / 180-or-so bottles. If b2 is expected to be a larger quantity, that hype/allure of b1 drops off tremendously. So there's that to contend with.

 

This. I know that you (OP) know what you're doing when it comes to Side Project, and I've never seen you post anything unreasonable- not that I'm monitoring but rather just like with every state and their top brewery/desired brew, there are some completely irrational offers (I know I know, as long as both parties are happy, )

But as a holder of b1 Aurelian a bottle that I coulda/shoulda/woulda traded many times but didn't because I was waiting for the next great deal or beer, that perceived notion really a) was the beginning of my dreaded hoarding period b) made me miss some good brew. I think either option you presented (2 Vanilla + Prop or Prop + Vanilla) is attainable. And if not, the fact of the matter is you (and I both) have a pretty good bottle to share w friends.