Blowoff in less than 12 hours after pitching

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  1. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    I brewed my first batch with a Northern Brewer recipe kit yesterday. I had some concerns earlier that evening with how aggressive the fermentation seemed to be within hours of pitching - I was under the impression that this doesn't begin for 24-48 hours, but I had no reason to do anything.

    I was woken up in the middle of the night by hearing the airlock blow right off, with krausen caked around the upper inside of the glass carboy. I inserted the blowoff hose (sanitized and into the sanitized bucket). This all happened within 12 hours after pitching.

    So two questions:

    1. Should I be concerned about how fast fermentation went? The airlock is bubbling extremely slow as if fermentation is done, but I don't know how that is possible in such a short time.

    2. As for the caked krausen/solids (picture is below), I feel like it shouldn't just be sitting there. Is gently swishing around the beer to collect the solids a bad idea? Or is leaving it there also a bad idea?

    I know these are noob questions, but I'm learning. Any help from the pros would be appreciated.

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  2. Scope4Beer

    Scope4Beer Zealot (677) Sep 28, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    1. Don't worry about the fermentation being too fast. Even though the airlock or blowoff is slowing doesn't mean it's done already or stalled out. Just let it ride like you we're planning and take gravity readings.
    2. Just leave the krausen that's caked to the top alone. It won't hurt anything and will have no impact on the final product.
     
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  3. bs870621345

    bs870621345 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Iowa

    What yeast did you use? I'm guessing american style.

    Don't be worried about low lag time, did you make a starter? What temperature was it fermenting at? Also, airlock activity isn't the best sign of fermentation.

    Leave the krausen alone, swishing the beer at this point could oxidize it. I always leave it and never had any problems.
     
  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    The longest lag time I have ever seen has been a couple hours. I pitch my starters at high krausen so they are already hungry little buggers when they hit the wort. So a fast start up is really just a side effect of healthy yeast. As for the gunk on the carboy, leave it. Don't swirl or swish or aerate the beer in anyway unless you want some nice cardboard notes... mmmmm, pizza box porter... But I digress, after you rack it to fermenter number two or bottle the beer up you can go back and clean it. And now you know why there are so many carboy cleaners on the market.
    Explosive airlock activity is a great sign of fermentation... :grimacing:
     
  5. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Thanks for your help, friends.
    I did not make a starter, as I just went by the instructions presented on the recipe kit - just a dry pitch. It was fermenting at 78 - I hope I didn't pitch too early. This will be the "learning batch" if anything. It's good to know that the dry krausen isn't a problem, and that fermentation is alright.

    I'll take gravity readings soon, but I feel like I've already exposed the beer to air as it is after replacing the first airlock with a blowoff then back to airlock. I didn't want a bucket of escaped krausen just sitting in my closet for days, which is why I went back to airlock.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    This is too high for the vast majority of yeast strains. Expect lots of fruity esters and (possibly) fusel alcohols in your finished beer. It may well be drinkable though. And it will be beer.

    You didn't expose it to much oxygen by doing this.

    Edit: I'd read this if you haven't already: www.howtobrew.com
     
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  7. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Thanks for the tips and expectations, @VikeMan .I've definitely got more to learn. I'm just going to let it rest a few days. No bad smells or anything at least, which is good.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A high fermentation temperature like 78°F can result in increased levels of higher alcohols (fusel oils). These higher alcohols can result in harshness. You may want to let the beer sit in the primary for some time (1-2 weeks) once primary fermentation is compete to permit the yeast to metabolize the excess higher alcohols (assuming they are present).

    Cheers!
     
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  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    It went ape shit because of the high temp. 78 is way, way, WAY too high. The fermentation started and went fast because of it.

    You can try and let it sit to clean up the fusel mess, but chances are, and from experience, that stuff ain't really going anywhere soon.
     
  10. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Hey, for your first batch I think this will end up very acceptable for you. It will have some off flavors but we all know you're not going to have the patience to wait a couple extra weeks to clean up the fusels (if it ever happens).
    Chalk this up to your first lesson: lower fermentation temps are better, in almost all cases. 65-67 is about spot-on. And that's beer temp, not room temp. Very important distinction--if you're saying your room temp during fermentation was 78 then your beer temp was easily into the mid-80s.
    When in primary it's OK to open the system to switch from blowoff tube to airlock. As long as it's active fermentation, the positive pressure of the CO2 being created will keep O2 and bad microbes from getting in. Mostly.

    Many of your beers will end up looking like your photo. Brewing is a messy business. Don't attempt to 'collect the solids'. If you left your beer completely alone, it would do exactly what it needed to do to be beer. No swishing, stirring, collecting, etc necessary. Let it be alive.
     
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  11. bs870621345

    bs870621345 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Iowa

    Just to add to this, if you can only keep your beers this warm for whatever reason, start looking into Saison (WLP565) and some other Belgian yeasts. They LOVE high temperatures and make great beers at warm temperatures.
     
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  12. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    It was a rookie mistake and nothing else (as far as the temperature pitch). One problem is that I don't have a wort chiller, and I didn't have enough ice to cool the wort around the kettle. I'll have to make future investments, or just more ice bags. :slight_smile:

    Hopefully the beer isn't terrible because of the yeast byproducts. Maybe banana characters in a brown ale isn't going to be the worst thing. Staying positive :slight_smile:
     
  13. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Let it do its thing. You'll probably have to let some of the ester and fusel heat settle out but it should still be a good beer in time. I wouldn' expect anything unitl the 3 or 4 month mark. I made my first few beers too hot and they settled down. I just needed to get more bottlse for bottling than I expected. It looks like a porter or stout, yea? They age well!
     
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  14. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    towels and bathtub next time. lol your in the south. its near 81f in my house a lot. and its hotter outside. brew ales that like the heat.
     
  15. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    It's actually a brown ale. A lot of the dark color came from the specialty grains, but it should clarify and lighten up a bit in secondary.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you intend to conduct a secondary, I would recommend a looooong secondary.

    Cheers!
     
  17. animalchin

    animalchin Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2009 North Carolina

    How long would you recommend?
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Inchrisin posted: “I wouldn't expect anything until the 3 or 4 month mark. I made my first few beers too hot and they settled down.”

    There is no accurate way to assess how much conditioning time you need. It is a function of the amount of higher alcohols (fusel oils) that were produced and how ‘efficiently’ the yeast metabolize the higher alcohols during the secondary. The best answer I have is months; perhaps the aforementioned 3-4 months.

    Cheers!
     
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  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You secondary it to clean up that mess until it taste good to you. If you feel it's fine, then give it a go at carbing it up and trying it out. It's really up to your tastes, honestly.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    As long as it takes to clean up the fusel alcohols. You should be able to tell by tasting. Not to scare you, but in the unlikely event that you have a real fusel bomb on your hands, it may never clean up. Yes, yeast convert fusels to esters, but it takes time and there are other compounds needed for the conversion that could be a limiting factor.
     
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