Botched Grain Bill

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  1. Maich

    Maich Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 Texas

    So I went to the local homebrew shop and picked up some grains apparently they heard 3.25 lbs of flaked oat and 3.25 lbs of flaked wheat instead of 3/4 pound of each. It was a long brew day and I should have known better but 4 hours later I took a look at my receipt and realized the error. Right now I have a 3 gallon batch of what should be a NE style IPA with 7.5 lbs of two row in addition and some 1318 pitched into it. If you were me would you trash the batch or let it do it's thing and see how it turns out?
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    You now have a beer that has a significantly higher starting gravity than what you expected. Did you take a hydrometer reading to compare it to your expected OG? It's obviously a different beer, and will be higher in alcohol content, likely significantly so, but I would not pitch it. Let it ride and see what happens.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is the size of your fermentor? If you are using a bigger fermentor (e.g., 5 gallons or larger) you could add some water to 'create' a larger volume and lower gravity beer.

    Cheers!
     
  4. Maich

    Maich Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 Texas

    5 gallon I'm probably going to do just that but yes gravity is high right now and the 1318 is going wild on it
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Out of curiosity, what was your measured OG?

    Cheers!
     
  6. Maich

    Maich Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 Texas

    Just under 1.12
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Whoa!!

    That is on the upper range of a Barleywine. I would strongly recommend that you add some water to your fermentor (sooner rather than later).

    Cheers!
     
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  8. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Unless you want to try a barleywine...
    Without diluting it down, your yeast are probably going to surpass their upper limit and crap out, leaving a higher FG than you wanted.
    What was your expected OG and FG?
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You really wanted to reply to the OP with your query, right?

    Cheers!

    P.S. I share your thought/concern that the yeast might 'poop out' with that high of an OG. That was my motivation to recommend that he add water and add it quickly.
     
  10. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Yeah, I should have multi-quoted, since what I wanted to say sort of piggybacked off what you said before.
     
  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Let it ride. It may be glorious.
    And probably dryhop the ever living hell out of it.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jason, you are experienced in using 1318. Is this an alcohol tolerant strain? Will this strain successfully ferment an 1.12 OG beer (which could be an 11-12% ABV beer)?

    Cheers!

    P.S. I am uncertain whether the OP made a yeast starter for this HUGE beer.
     
  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    From my experience with 1318 I know it can ferment 1.080 wort down to 1.015 while 1056 will take the same wort to 1.014. That's the highest I have pushed 1318.
    That being said I expect this beer to be an ester bomb at this point. The yeast is stressed due to the gravity and the lack of O2, so it's going to be a gamble. I do want to use 1318 for my wheat wine this summer.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If 1318 is not alcohol tolerant then there is a possibility that the yeast will stop working at a specific gravity less than ideal (e.g., 1.050). If this happens the resulting beer will be a syrupy mess.

    In my opinion the OP is better off adding some 'top off' water to mitigate the potential of the yeast not finishing the beer.

    Cheers!
     
  15. Maich

    Maich Initiate (0) Oct 23, 2014 Texas

    1.5 gallons of water added I'll let everyone know how it turns out as the us basically an experiment at this point fermentation started less than 12 hours ago so hopefully the quick turn around helped
     
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  16. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    If I was in his shoes I would pitch a couple packs of us-05 and have a beer. Right now the damage is done as far as possible off flavors goes. No temp control, no oxygen, and severely under pitched all adds up to a disaster. I'm not sure either of our answers are going to equate to tasty beer at this point.
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Hopefully @Maich will report back in another few weeks how this batch turns out.

    I personally have not lost all hope here.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    To me the biggest problem is the grainbill (OP got the banner right :slight_smile:)...2 sachets of US-05 should fix any underperformer in the way of alcohol tolerance, but the massive amounts of flaked adjuncts will make it something other than a Barleywine...if the OP was looking for a NEIPA, then blending might be a potential solution...all is not lost
     
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  19. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    This seems like a mistake you can learn from. You don't see experiments that ask what a crap-ton of wheat and oat adjunct grains mean for a beer. I'd let it ride strictly out of academic curiosity, but I would retain no hope of sensory enjoyment of the beverage.
     
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  20. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Are you certain that it just wasn't rung up incorrectly?
     
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