Bottle-Conditioned IPA - Carbonation Issues

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  1. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    I recently brewed and bottled a Bell's Two-Hearted IPA clone. The beer spent two weeks in primary and one week in secondary (crash-cooled and cold-conditioned for the entire week in secondary at 35 degrees F) before being bottled (on 09/27). This is the first time I've cold conditioned for a week before bottling. Normally, I just keep it in primary for 7 - 10 days, secondary for a week, then crash-cool for 12-24 hours before I bottle. Anyways, the beer has been bottled for a week and a half now, so I decided to try one 12-ouncer to check on the carbonation levels (I planned/primed for 2.4 volumes of carbonation). I popped the cap off and heard a weak "psssp" (not nearly as strong as I was expecting). I poured into a beer glass and to my surprise, there was no head and virtually no carbonation whatsoever. Every other batch I've brewed has been fully carbed by 7 days, although as I mentioned above, this was my first time cold-conditioning for an entire week before bottling. Should I be worried, or does longer cold-conditioning prior to bottling just slow down the carb process? I'm worried that since I only pitched one pack of Safale US-05 when the beer was put in primary, the week-long cold-conditioning period may have caused any remaining active yeast to fall out of suspension prior to bottling. At what point should I start to worry? At what point do I need to start uncapping and adding yeast to each individual bottle?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I popped the cap off and heard a weak "psssp" (not nearly as strong as I was expecting).” Well, that is a good sign. That means that there is some ‘active’ yeast that is producing CO2 as part of the bottle conditioning process.

    I have never cold crashed an ale prior to bottling so I have no personal experience but since you have some CO2 being produced it is my guess you just need to let these bottles further condition and hope for the best.

    I personally wait at least 2 weeks before trying one of my bottle conditioned beers and often I will wait 3 weeks.

    I am guessing that just some patience is needed here.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Alternatively, the problem may not be with the yeast, but with the quantity of priming sugar. As noted by @JackHorzempa , it appears that there is some CO2 being produced which means that there is some yeast in suspension in the bottles.

    Perhaps there wasn't enough sugar in each bottle, or you didn't mix the sugar evenly this time. Depending on how you go about adding sugar, you may not have gotten the sugar to dissolve evenly into the beer before bottling, since it is harder for sugar to dissolve into a colder liquid.

    If you're not in a rush, give it some time and see what happens.
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    The Home Brewer's Prime Directive
    Relax ... Don't Worry ... Have a home brew.
    At no point do you need to start uncapping and adding yeast to each individual bottle.
    Instead...here's what you should do
    1) Relax
    2) Don't Worry
    3) Have a home brew
    4) Move bottles to a warmer place in the house
    5) Rouse the yeast (i.e., spin or invert the bottles gently every couple of three days for a week)
    6) Repeat steps 1, 2, and 3.
     
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  5. element75

    element75 Initiate (0) Dec 19, 2012 Minnesota

    I would not worry yet.
    I have had several stronger beers lately that have taken longer than I expected to carbonate. I was really worried right away but after a few weeks they were good to go.
     
  6. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    +1.
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Time heals all wounds . . . and allows for bottle-carbing to be complete. The 7 days of cold crashing and 1 packet of yeast are not the problem. Most likely you just need more time. I have cold crashed for a month and then bottle-carbed to 3.0v with no problems (2 -3 weeks, but that's not a problem). The beauty of bottle carbing is it takes very little yeast to complete the task, it may take a little longer but barring some anomaly it will get done. If you are sure the sugar was measuredd & stirred, the caps are tight, and you stored at the proper carb temp then nothing to do but wait. Do not schedule any panic maneuvers until 3+ weeks.

    It would be nice if you re-opened this thread with the details when you get the correct carb level.
     
  8. rynegne

    rynegne Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 Illinois

    Not to hijack the thread here...but I'm having a problem w/ carbonation as well. I think it might be because used sugar tabs, bottled and stored in the fridge for two weeks. ***Is it too late to move the beer from the fridge and leave it out at room temperature to enhance the process. I cracked open a beer last night and only heard a slight hiss.
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are you saying your beers have been in the fridge ever since bottling? If so, then yes, take them out of the fridge.
     
  10. rynegne

    rynegne Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 Illinois

    Yes, they have been in the fridge since bottling. I didn't know if taking them out would further complicate things.

     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you don't take them out, they are not going to carbonate.
     
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  12. rynegne

    rynegne Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 Illinois

    Thanks, I'm new to this and didn't know if the adjusting of temperatures would complicate matters. I'll take them out as soon as I get home!

     
  13. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Should he shake them a little bit after they've warmed up? I would assume leaving them in the fridge would drop most of the yeast down to the bottom, would that have an impact on their eventual carbonation?
     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Abuse only occurs if you let the beers get too hot (say 90 degrees F) or let it freeze, so you'll be okay.

    It will probably help a bit to swirl the bottles and invert them momentarily to get things back into suspension, but with a slight 'hiss' sound already on the first bottle that @ryegene opened, I think things will be okay.
     
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  15. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Yeast go dormant at such temps. You need bottles to be at roughly the same temp as fermentation to bottle condition. Room temp works, the yeast will go back to active duty and metabolize sugars left in the bottle to CO2 and other by-products.
     
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