Bottle Conditioning Issues - Belgian Quad

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  1. shpmmphs

    shpmmphs Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2007 Michigan

    I bought a St. Bernardus Abt 12 copycat malt extract kit last summer with the recommended liquid yeast. Looking back maybe I should have gone with the double pitch option with this high gravity beer. I thought I could get by with one pack of liquid yeast since I made a starter before pitching. I think I left the batch sit in the secondary fermenter too long possibly. Anyway I think the yeast got stressed out. I bottled (with recommended priming sugar) and ended up with no carbonation. I have experimented with a few of the flat bottles - uncapped and added some dry yeast (Safbrew T58) and recapped; another - uncapped and added T58 and a Cooper Carbonation Drop. Both of these experiments didn't work after 3 or 4 weeks. I'm thinking of uncapping all and pouring into secondary fermenter now and maybe pitching with champagne yeast and maybe some more fermentable sugar, let it ferment out and then re-bottle with some priming sugar. Can I get some recommendations from you guys. I don't want to toss this expensive tasty brew!
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Looking back maybe I should have gone with the double pitch option with this high gravity beer." The minimum you should have done was pitch two liquid yeast packages. For the case of a Quad I would personally recommend a BIG starter.

    “Anyway I think the yeast got stressed out.” High gravity (high alcohol) beers will stress out the pitched yeast.

    When I homebrew my Quad beers I always add a packet of dry yeast (rehydrated) to the bottling bucket (an entire packet is not required but I just use the whole thing).

    As you detailed the best option for you is to add some dry yeast (I don’t know how much per bottle) to your bottled beers and give it time to carbonate.

    “I'm thinking of uncapping all and pouring into secondary fermenter now and maybe pitching with champagne yeast and maybe some more fermentable sugar, let it ferment out and then re-bottle with some priming sugar.” This process is not a good idea since by pouring the bottled beers into the secondary you will oxidize your beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. sweetcell

    sweetcell Crusader (435) Dec 6, 2013 Maryland

    this.

    you did the right thing when you uncapped, added stuff then recapped. i would try that with champagne yeast. rehydrate it, then use an eye dropped to put a squirt into each bottle. sounds like there is already priming sugar in there from the last round, so no need to add more. i would store these bottles in a plastic-lined box or crate, in case the beers become over-carbonated.

    at what temp are you letting the bottles carb up?
     
  4. shpmmphs

    shpmmphs Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2007 Michigan

    Thanks guys. Temperature averages 66 deg F in my basement. What if I sipnoned product out of each bottle to 2ndary, added corn sugar and pitch rehydrated champagne yeast? Then re-bottle adding more priming sugar.
     
  5. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    66°F is a bit too cool. Try keeping them above 70° for at least a couple more weeks before even considering opening them all up again.
     
  6. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    Patience.
     
  7. shpmmphs

    shpmmphs Initiate (0) Jul 3, 2007 Michigan

    I like that plan Sweetcell. I just moved the bottles upstairs next to heat vent and covered with blanket. It look like it could get up close to 80 deg with the blanket. Is that okay?
     
  8. sweetcell

    sweetcell Crusader (435) Dec 6, 2013 Maryland

    yup, that'll work. give the beers 2 weeks at that temp before doing anything else. there is a good chance the yeast will wake up and carb your bottles.

    if they're still flat after 2 weeks, do the rehydrated yeast + eye dropper thing.
     
  9. ericj551

    ericj551 Pooh-Bah (1,638) Apr 29, 2004 Canada (AB)
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    Also, it couldn't hurt to gently swirl your bottles, to rouse the yeast. Hold it by the cap and spin on it's vertical axis, and you should be able to get the yeast off the bottom without exposure to O2.
     
  10. WelshBrewer

    WelshBrewer Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2013 Oregon

    I would find a friend with a spare corney and dump them all in there and O2 it. I had a friend use one of mine for a Pliney clone that did the same thing.
     
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