Bottle Conditioning Off-Flavor

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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    A week ago I primed and bottled a wild ale that saw pineapple juice. Let me preface by saying this batch of beer is about 5 months old, had sat with my house wild culture and pineapple juice for about 4 months. The flavors prior to bottling were phenomenal, a bit of funk, pineapple, tropical fruit, barnyard.

    Primed with 6 oz cane sugar and added champagne yeast.

    After a week in the bottle, I popped one open to see how far along the carbonation is. It is fairly well carbonated, but there were some off-flavors of vitamin c/multivitamin and just some rough edges.

    My theory is that the refermentation in the bottle needs another few weeks to metabolize fermentation by-products of the champagne yeast.

    Anyone ever have any issues like this? Did the beer get better with extended bottle conditioning?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have never tasted a beer after only one week of bottle conditioning; I used to wait a minimum of two weeks when I first started brewing and lately I wait a minimum of three weeks before I try the first bottle.

    Maybe the issue here is that one week of bottle conditioning results in a 'green' beer?

    My suggestion is to wait a few more weeks and see how your beer tastes. My bottle conditioned beers are better several weeks after the bottling date; something like 3-5 weeks.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Do you usually use cane sugar for carbing? I have always gotten slight off flavors when I use cane sugar in any phase of brewing/bottling personally and haven't used it in a really long time as a results.

    Also, do you usually reyeast at bottling?
     
  4. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Ya the beer just need more time to finish in the bottle. Try again in 2 more weeks .
     
  5. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    My house culture spits out a lot of TSP (cheerios, mousey flavor) in the bottle. Even when I re-yeast at bottling it will be present for weeks or even months sometimes. Give it some time. I find the sweet spot for conditioning is right around the 2-3 month mark for my mixed cultures.
     
  6. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee


    I'm scatterbrained after a long brew day. I meant THP, not TSP.
     
  7. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    I agree with the others that it needs more time. I'm very impatient, and often taste after a week. I usually think I've ruined the beer and get diacetyl before re-uptake.
     
  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Yes. This happens all of the time when you carbonate beer. Same thing happens with production facility beer. It tastes young for a couple weeks until the forced carbonation figures out where it belongs.
    In your case, you are also introducing something new into the environment and it has to figure out a way to get right with what you have going on already. I work with different sugars when I carbonate sometimes, and their flavors typically are very obvious the first few weeks after bottling. Then that settles out and they are ready for the world.
    The yeast you added might also provide a very different look on what you spent months developing, and it might require a few months to come back to the look you recall and expect.
     
  9. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I, like most everyone else who has responded, would agree with your theory.

    Some of my house cultures that involved wild captures throw a lot of H2S initially, which dissipates after some further conditioning.

    Just curious, but any reason that you use additional yeast when you bottle condition?
     
  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    Maybe this three items altogether (cane sugar, wild yeast and champagne yeast) don not fit friendly in regards chemical compounds production, time is the only answer here.
     
  11. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Thanks for the replies. I will repost after 1 month to see how it evolves.
     
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