Bottle Harvesting Suggestions

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  1. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Hello,

    I want to try some bottle harvesting, mostly for the novelty of it, but also to try some different yeasts otherwise not available.

    I like big belgian beer, i.e. dubbel, triple, quadruple/dark strong, golden strong.

    Does anyone have recommendations on a good beer to try?
     
  2. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    It would probably be best for you to find a low gravity beer that has yeast in it. Do research on whichever one you pick first as some beers are bottle conditioned with lager yeast.
     
  3. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    All of Ommegang's Belgians use the same strain and the bottle yeast is the real deal (I normally harvest their Witte at 5.2 or Rare Vos at 6.5). The Bruery bottle yeast is authentic, ABV for Mischief and Saison Rue is high but usually fresh, have had good luck there. Saison DuPont at 6.5 has harvested well. For Trappist ales you are more likely to have success with Dubbels than Quads, usually they are the same yeast but do a Google search for specifics. When shopping, usually the beer store can scan the bar code and tell the date it arrived at their store. I have inquired about freshness more than once, going for the newest bottle.

    I have good success with harvesting, it more than a novelty for me. Presently drinking a Saison (DuPont) and a blond (The Bruery) and conditioning a specialty ale with DuPont/Ommegang combined.
     
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  4. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    I have had excellent results harvesting yeast from bottles of De Ranke XX Bitter. The yeast yields flavors somewhere between a saison strain and standard Belgian ale strain.
     
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  5. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Here are my favorites:

    Ommegand Hennepin - if you can get this fresh it's a monster; you can cut the stepping up process in half. It will need to finish at a pretty high temperature to get the desired character.

    Blaugies Saison D'epeautre: a better-behaved version of the Saison Dupont yeast; same for Dupont Avril table saison.

    With care, the yeast harvested from Rochefort 8 is pretty wonderful.

    Across most styles, I've collected a good number of ribbons from homebrew competitions, but all of my first places are from beers fermented with stepped up commercial dregs rather than from yeast companies. You get a great yeast, often cheaper than from WY/WL, and a good beer to drink too. No Brainer.
     
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  6. od_sf

    od_sf Initiate (0) Nov 2, 2010 California

    Hi there, wondering if you've noticed a difference in flavor between the Blaugies yeast when harvested from bottles vs Wyeast 3726? I'm guessing the Blaugies "house" yeast is probably a number of different strains and 3726 is the "dominant" strain that was isolated by Wyeast, but would love to hear your thoughts on this.
     
  7. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    I've never used WY3726 but am led to believe that it's the gist of the Blaugies strain. Remember that the Blaugies yeast was borrowed from Dupont when they launched. WY and WL both dumbed down the Dupont yeast when they offered it up; 4 strains reduced to one, according to Brew Like a Monk and Farmhouse Ales. I am only able to get my fermentations up to 77F during the cold half of the year here in arctic Vermont but have managed to make some pretty good (40+ point in competition) saisons from the Blaugies dregs. Of course your own fermentation and cellaring will greatly influence the final product (for the better; it's your beer:slight_smile:).

    My opinion is that the dregs from Saison D'epeutre or Avril will make a wonderful saison. Other styles might vary, though it does make a pretty good wit.
     
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  8. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Can you not just buy the saison strain from yeast? Is bottle harvested different even if it is the same strain? As I said my main motive for harvesting is to gain access to strains not available over the counter to home brewers. Good idea having them scan the codes.
     
  9. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Bottle harvested is usually different even if it's reputedly the same strain. Even 1056/001/US05 are different from each other and from stepped up Sierra Nevada dregs. Individual yeast companies will treat the yeast differently than other companies or commercial brewers using it. Try 1056 and SNPA dregs side by side in a split batch; I guarantee you will see a difference.
     
  10. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    My understanding is exactly what skivtjerry posted. Beers like Ommegang/TheBruery/deRanke are truly world class and you can brew with their yeast if you master the technique. Lots of posts here on harvesting Conan's yeast. Pretty sure there are others you can search and find, that's why I love sampling commercial craft beer, always looking for the next gem. If you like playing yeast detective this game is for you (my name for The Bruery's strain is "Poirot").

    I don't live near anything so all my yeast have to be shipped and because of the heat that pretty much eliminates shipping in the summer ('bout 9 months of the year at my house). Harvesting allows me to control the process . . . I also run a full-time laundry service for my yeast (commercial and harvested). Yeast are probably the toughest boss I've ever worked for.
     
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  11. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    The Duvel one is easy to cultivate, don't know if it's the primary strain that's available from white labs etc or a bottling strain

    For English ones, Thwaites do a few bottle conditioned beers like their porter. It's a decent yeast and I don't think it's available from white labs etc. Also St Austell bottle condition a few too, it's another good one. Both are easy to manage
     
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  12. LeeryLeprechaun

    LeeryLeprechaun Savant (1,094) Jan 30, 2011 Colorado
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    I have cultured this beer in the past and streaked out for isolation. It is at least two distinct strains. One has a huge fruity aroma and the other is more barnyard like.
     
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