Bottling Sour Ales - Using Champagne Yeast

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  1. Jmamay22

    Jmamay22 Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2006 New York

    I'm looking to bottle some of my first sour beers that have been aging a year or more. It seems that a common practice to ensure carbonation is to pitch some Champagne yeast. If I follow this method will it be of any use to repitch these dregs into future batches of sour beers? Or will I just be pitching the champagne dregs without any of the bacteria from the original brew?

    I'm asking because I enjoy some of the depth and complexity when pitching some dregs from Cantillon or other wild beers. Would I lose this impact when bottling with Champagne yeast?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    It depends. Make sure that you don't use a "killer yeast" which is a strain of wine/champagne yeast that excretes an enzyme which kills all competitors. This type of strain would kill the bacteria and Brett in the bottles. As long as you don't use one of these strains you will be fine. In future re-pitches of the dregs the champagne yeast won't be able to grow to a sufficient cell population in time to ferment the wort. The brewer's yeast (or mixed cultures) you use in those sours will do the bulk of the fermentation and the dregs from this current sour will add bacteria and Brett that will grow in numbers sufficient to do their business. The champagne goes after simpler sugars (like priming sugar) so it won't really impact the sours you are making as it is heavily out competed for the simple sugar by the brewer's yeast.
     
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  3. Fireslayer

    Fireslayer Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2013 Wisconsin

    Just bottled a batch that was a year old using lalvin 1118 and have had them sitting in my temp controlled freezer @ 70 degrees and after two weeks they are almost fully Carbed and tasting great. This beer I made was a 5 gallon batch lambic split with raspberries on one batch and blueberries on the other batch. Added numerous bottle dregs over the year long period. Just popped one yesterday and like I said it's almost fully carbonated after two weeks.
     
  4. Jmamay22

    Jmamay22 Initiate (0) Sep 11, 2006 New York

    It looks like Lalvin 1118 exhibits the kill factor referenced by jbakajust1. Any recommendations for a preferred strain that doesn't have this kill factor, is neutral tasting, as well as alcohol and acidic ph tolerant?
     
  5. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    What I did was I pitched the yeast into the bottling bucket. The dregs in the carboy did not receive the priming sugar or the priming yeast charge. This seemed to work very well, and my next Flanders Red is happily underway.

    Edit, I see now you mean the dregs from the bottles, not the fermenter. I decided saving the carboy dregs would be sufficient for my purposes.
     
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  6. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Russian River uses a killer wine strain for bottling. Lots of breweries do. Brett and bacteria aren't "sensitive" to the kill factor, so it is really just an issue for the brewer's yeast (and there isn't much of it left by that point).
     
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  7. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    Good info! Do you have a 'go-to' to re-yeast bottles?
     
  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Good to know, I'm sure I read that in some book some where recently and must have forgotten about it. Thanks for the correction.
     
  9. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Champagne yeast usually, Premier Cuvee or the like. Haven't noticed a huge difference in the results.
     
  10. kbuzz

    kbuzz Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2011 North Carolina

  11. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I've added "young" yeast from a different sour before, not added any fresh yeast, and added champagne yeast. They all carbonate, some methods just take longer then others.
     
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