Bottling Times and cold crashing

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I have discovered recently that my beers are not fully carbonated and ready to drink until about 3, ideally 4 weeks after being in the bottle. I currently do not cold crash. Would cold crashing make the beer need longer time in the bottle, since there will be less yeast to do the carbing? And is there anyway to get carbination to happen faster without adding so much priming sugar that I end up with bottle bombs?

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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Possibly.

    All other things being equal, higher temperatures will result in faster carbonation. And as you correctly imply, more sugar is not the answer.
     
  3. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Thanks. I know higher temps for fermentation is def not good, but What would the highest temp you would suggest bottle conditioning without off flavors occurring?
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Since you add so little priming sugar the development of off flavors during bottle conditioning is not a big worry.

    What temperature do you store your bottles during bottle condition? At room temperature (e.g., 70°F) it should only take 2 weeks for full carbonation to occur (for moderate gravity beers).

    Cheers!
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Jack said it. 70F is great for bottle carbonating. If your low/mid gravity beers are taking 4 weeks at 70F, I'd look at yeast health.
     
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Patience is well worth the reward. Yes, bottle conditioning at higher temps will net faster carbing, however do you really want to worry about how warm is too warm? I let all my beers carb and condition at 65. It takes some times, but it is well worth it. Mmost of my low to mid gravity beers hit their primme at 6 weeks as far as flavor and carbing go, but my big boys really come into their own at 3 months. Once you learn the patience in the beginning and get a good cycle going you will always have good beer on hand.
     
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  7. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    My appt is 71-72. Should I be adding a little more sugar? I just don't want it over carbed after 4 weeks...
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    NO
    If it's carbonated properly after 4 weeks, more sugar is not the answer.
     
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Temp and amount of sugar are not related in terms of producing carbonation.
     
  10. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I leave mine in my room to carb, so the speed of carbonation depends on the temperature. It's never TOO hot or cold, btw, but it's certainly warmer in summer, and they carb faster. To me it's a patience thing tho. When they're done, they're done. Tho I use mostly bombers for bottling, I always make a few 12 oz bottles for testing. Right now it's cold and my room is cold so I'll probably pop the first test bottle (of saturday's bottling) at about 2 weeks.

    I have only had one batch take longer than two weeks to carbonate. I don't really know why that one was so slow, probably just less viable yeast for whatever reason (everything else was about average, inc. abv). It did eventually carbonate just fine tho after about six weeks, with eight or nine weeks "prime."
     
  11. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Do you adjust priming sugar amounts to the OG? I would think that the higher the OG, the more priming sugar you would need... Unless the style calls for lower carb...
     
  12. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    No, its a very simple and standard calculation. The factors that effect the amount of sugar you would need are the volume of beer you are bottling and the residual CO2 which is a factor of time and temp in the fermentors.

    Edit: With regard to a higher OG the only thing you may need more of is yeast at bottling time. If you have a higher alcohol beer and stressed out yeast, you may need to add fresh yeast when bottling to make sure they will be able to consume the priming sugar.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    As OddNotion said, no. Try using a calculator, like this one...
    http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/recipator/carbonation.html
     
  14. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I guess my main problem is not having a scale. I already blew $15 on a scale that isn't specific enough to get down to ounces and half ounces. It's not electric. I just want to be able to measure it out in cups...
     
  15. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    You can get a digital scale for less than $20. And honestly, I don't how anyone could brew without one. Grains, hops, sanitizer, priming sugar… it all needs to be weighed.
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Scales are pretty important in brewing. Without one, you'll be introducing a lot of variation. So even if you brew and carbonate the 'perfect' batch, it will be hard to repeat.
     
  17. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I weigh grain when I buy it at the LHBS, hops are easy enough to eyeball into half/quarters since I buy them in ounces, and sanitizer does not need to be weighed. Priming sugar is the only thing, and if you're getting the same exact kind every time, the density should always be the same, thus you can figure out the cups equivelant and go from there. So I just don't get the big deal. And I'm a cheap a$$, already spent so much on this hobby, lol
     
  18. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I believe that 3/4 of a cup of dextrose weighs about 4.5oz although I also recommend buying a scale and weighing your ingredients.
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think if you weighed your eyeballed splits, you might be surprised. A 10% error can throw your bitterness and/or flavor/aroma extraction by, let's see... about 10%.

    It really isn't always the same. (But some kinds of sugar are better behaved than others.) But even if the density is exactly the same, one cup won't be the same as the next even in terms of volume. Maybe 'close enough' (per personal choice) but not as close as weighing precisely. And try googling table sugar (sucrose, maybe the best behaved example) weight per cup. I bet you get more than one (different) answer. That's because the density isn't always the same, and because a cup is not the same as the next.

    A couple other reasons for an accurate scale...
    - Mash/Kettle salt additions, to 10ths of grams. Particularly important for mash pH.
    - Fractions of ounces for roasted malts. Being off there can make a significant flavor difference in some beers. Do you trust your LHBS to weigh out 0.3 ounces of Black Patent to add just the right touch of 'burnt' to a brown ale, for example?
     
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