Bottom Fill Growler Station

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by TheNoodleIncident, Jul 26, 2013.

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  1. TheNoodleIncident

    TheNoodleIncident Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2012 New York

    Inspried by the other growler thread, I asked my favorite beer shop if they would consider switching to bottom filling. I was told that the biggest problem is the increased labor needed to keep all the tubes clean. Can anyone tell me how other shops deal with this? I would imagine those tubes get nasty fairly quickly.

    My suggestion was to keep all the tubes separate from the taps, sitting in a tub of no-rinse sanatizer. When you need to fill a growler, just grab a tube, fill the growler, then return the tub to the sanatizer. Does this make sense?
     
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  2. EyePeeAyBryan

    EyePeeAyBryan Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2011 Arizona
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    That's how most places around here do it. Not to mention, the tubes are rather inexpensive. I'm sure they could go to a hardware store, buy in bulk, cut and not even have to use a single one twice in a day...save the cleaning for end of shift
     
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  3. HKUSPC40

    HKUSPC40 Zealot (601) Aug 28, 2012 Washington

    That's exactly how we do it... We replace the tubes every few weeks.
     
  4. dianimal

    dianimal Savant (1,006) Apr 18, 2012 California

    Can you just flush the tubes out after each use? (I've never seen a bottom-filler before, so if this sounds stupid, that's why :confused: )
     
  5. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    That would be my suggestion too. When it gets nasty or worn or broken, pay the nominal fee for more tubing.
     
  6. TheNoodleIncident

    TheNoodleIncident Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2012 New York

    Some follow-up questions:
    1) When you all say tubing is cheap, can you quantify?
    2) How much does sanitizer cost?
    3) Using my idea (tubes sitting in santizer), does the water/sanitzier get dirty enough that it needs to be cleaned more than once a day?
    4) If re-using tubes, do you have to use the same tube for each beer, or can they get mixed up?

    Just trying to get a true idea of the incremental $ and labor cost.
     
  7. rmseven4

    rmseven4 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2008 California

    We use silicone tubing, rinse between uses and leave in sanitizer after the rinse. Use three tubes for 12 taps so each is used for different beers throughout the day. Do a caustic cleaning on them about once a week.
     
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  8. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Remember these are all at a retail level for homebrewers (much cheaper options exist but even at these prices the cost is not that much) as a point of reference:
    1) http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/brewing/kegging/tubing/5-16-id-beverage-tubing.html
    2) http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/star-san.html
    3) Different conditions will call for different actions, but no rinse sanitizer can last a long time. On the homebrew level I know of people who reuse it over multiple batches
    4) Tubes can be mixed up
     
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  9. commis

    commis Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2009 Massachusetts

    I think we"re really looking at less that $5 a week in Iadophor and tubing and under 15 minutes a day to swap the sani out every couple hours and cut new bev-line once a week. The time it takes to slip the tube over the spout for each fill is less than the time it takes the foam to subside after top-filling...
    Anywhere that has a growler station should have absolutely no issues with this degree of inconvenience.
     
  10. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    1) When you all say tubing is cheap, can you quantify?
    • $.50/foot, give or take.
    2) How much does sanitizer cost?
    • $30-40 (at most) for a gallon of Iodophor, and 1/2oz of it is enough for a 5 gallon bucket. If you're using a 2-3 gallon bucket (with the proper ratio of water/sanitizer) a 1 gallon jug should last almost a year and a half.
    3) Using my idea (tubes sitting in santizer), does the water/sanitzier get dirty enough that it needs to be cleaned more than once a day?
    • It shouldn't. When I homebrew I fill a 5 gallon bucket with iodophor solution and use it for the entire brew day. That said, even if you're changing it every few hours it would still cost less than $.50/day
    4) If re-using tubes, do you have to use the same tube for each beer, or can they get mixed up?
    • You shouldn't need tubes for each beer. Fruit beers and chili beers will taint a beer line if they're on tap for more than a couple days, but in the 1-2 minutes it takes to fill a growler it shouldn't be an issue. I would probably err on the side of caution and have 1 tube designated for sour/wild ales just to accidentally infecting someone's growler of IPA or stout, but that's just me being paranoid.
     
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  11. TheNoodleIncident

    TheNoodleIncident Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2012 New York

    Thanks everyone, this is all great stuff.
     
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