Boulevard Nutcracker Ale

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  1. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Is it a reasonable facsimile of an English Burton Ale. I've been told that other winter warmers such as Young's winter warmer are the closet thing to a Burton Ale. By the way, I stock up on Nutcracker when it comes out every November, it is delicious.
     
  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    That's an interesting question. I would assume that it isn't simply because Boulevard doesn't mention anything about it. I think the logic of what you've been told is missing some important pieces.

    A "winter warmer" isn't a style of beer in my eyes. (The BA description of it feels more like story than fact.) Think of it more like a nickname given to any beer that's satisfying in cold weather. Beyond that, a winter warmer can be anything. Young's "Winter Warmer" was the name of the beer... not the "style." That was the name they used to rechristen their low-strength Burton ale.
     
  3. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    True winter warmer is not a style, a lager can be a winter warmer. Still I've had Young's Winter Warmer and the ale is more malt forward, there is a sweetness. Nutcracker has more hop profile is a big difference. Nutcracker is 7.8% abv whereas Young's is 5%

    I think neither is truly a Burton but maybe burtonish. True Burton goes through a lengthy maturation process is oak barrels if I am not mistaken. Just fishing for information.
     
  4. Beer_Stan

    Beer_Stan Initiate (0) Mar 15, 2014 California
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    I consider most "Winter" seasonal beers that are spiced (think mulling spices) and malt forward with higher ABVs are "Warmers." I can't see other styles of beer really being able to fit the profile such as IPA's or Stouts. Mostly darker beers in the Amber, Brown, Doppelbock, and Dunkle categories. All the ones that I've have in the past followed this format.
     
  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The beer the OP is asking about (Boulevard Nutcracker) is sold by the brewer as a "winter warmer" but is not spiced.
    Young's Winter Warmer was formerly sold as "Burton ale" before the name change. Both Martyn Cornell and Ron Pattinson consider it to be one of the last Burton ales. Such beers were generally strong by English standards, but the alcohol strength had a range and wouldn't exclude something at 5% ABV. When you speak of lengthy aging in oak, you might be thinking of the American beer - Ballantine Burton Ale.
     
  6. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Savant (1,109) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    Did the OP ask a question?
     
  7. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I assume this was one:
     
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  8. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Savant (1,109) Feb 4, 2014 Texas
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    But there was no ?
     
  9. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Yes.

    When a sentence begins with "Is it", that makes it a question, regardless whether someone hits the wrong or right spot on their tiny keyboard.
     
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  10. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    Was this a question or a statement?
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Some interesting (relatively recent) history of Burton Ale courtesy of the Oxford Companion to Beer:

    “It was available in the United States in the late 19th century, and this is where we have the best information on the strength of this beer. Brewers could not measure gravity until almost the end of the 18th century when the hydrometer became a brewing tool; even after this, there is little to be found on analysis of Burton Ale.

    In 1908 results of analysis on various beers were published in Chicago, and included two samples of Burton Ale tested, respectively, in 1879 and 1890, and containing 8% and 10% ABV. The authors also quote an 1890 result on a “ninety years old” sample of Worthington Burton at 11% ABV.”

    https://beerandbrewing.com/dictionary/cLbpLZVmEF/

    Cheers!
     
  12. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    I've loads of information on Burton Ales in the 19th century.. Those brewed in both Burton and London.

    Is that one of the bits of the Oxford Companion to Beer written by Horst Dornbusch?
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    LOL! :grin:

    Ron, you are one 'consistent' guy!!:wink:

    All you had to do was click on the link I provided and you would read that this 'article' was written by Terry Foster. Is Terry also on your shit list!?!:flushed:

    Cheers!
     
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I was hoping you'd notice that line.
     
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  15. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Would love to see an article Patto, it is one of the more interesting brews I've read about. I wonder it it's DNA is in any modern brews?
     
  16. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    As far as family DNA goes rather than beers called Burton ale, it's too bad that we no longer get Fuller's 1845 and Old Peculier in the US anymore. I'd love to see their return.
     
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  17. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Believe it or not, I could get Old Peculier in Northwest Arkansas up until around 2007.
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  19. swid

    swid Pooh-Bah (1,834) Jun 5, 2004 Missouri
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    I asked the OP's question to Boulevard on Twitter, and they replied with:

    "While it's not directly tied to the Burton Ale style that slowly died after the 1970s, it is part of the Winter Warmer, Barley Wine & Old Ale categorization. A rich, malty, sweet, and bitter dark ale of moderately strong alcohol. Full-bodied & chewy with a balanced hoppy finish.

    It definitely is a spin all its own but checks the box on those more traditional styles. Hope that helps!"

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    So...kinda sorta maybe perhaps, I guess? :slight_smile:
     
  20. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Thank you for the information Swid. I suspect there is overlap among the styles that Boulevard mentioned, I also would not be surprised if Burton sometimes overlapped with those styles as well.
     
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