Boulevard "Two Jokers Wit" recipe help!

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  1. finsfan

    finsfan Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 Kansas

    I am wanted to brew something similar, but have no clue when Boulevard would have used the Lacto in this brew. It could be a partial sour mash, or pitch lacto a few days before boil, or could be used in secondary. I also do not have a clue how much of the adjuncts to add or when. Below is a rough recipe I have quickly put together using their specs on the website. Anybody who has suggestions for the adjuncts or Lacto, or even the recipe, are welcome to comment and help create an awesome Wit. Cheers!

    Brew Method: All Grain
    Style Name: Witbier
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Batch Size: 6 gallons (fermentor volume)
    Boil Size: 7.5 gallons
    Boil Gravity: 1.057
    Efficiency: 80% (brew house)

    STATS:
    Original Gravity: 1.072
    IBU (tinseth): 15.98
    SRM (morey): 5.51

    FERMENTABLES:
    8 lb - American - Pale Ale (55.2%)
    4 lb - Belgian - Wheat (27.6%)
    2 lb - Belgian - Unmalted Wheat (13.8%)
    0.5 lb - Flaked Oats (3.4%)

    HOPS:
    0.25 oz - Magnum, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 11.13
    1 oz - Perle, Type: Pellet, AA: 8.2, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 4.85

    MASH GUIDELINES:
    1) Infusion, Temp: 152 F, Time: 60 min
    Starting Mash Thickness: 1.5 qt/lb

    OTHER INGREDIENTS:
    0.5 oz - orange zest, Time: 0 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil
    0.5 oz - crushed coriander, Time: 0 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil
    0.2 tsp - cardamon, Time: 0 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil
    0.5 oz - lavender, Time: 0 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil
    1 tsp - peppercorn, Time: 0 min, Type: Spice, Use: Boil

    YEAST:
    Wyeast - Belgian Witbier 3944


    Again, not sure where to use the Lacto, and also not sure if I should boil the adjuncts or add them to secondary.
     
  2. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    Send me a message with your email address and I'll send you our recipe.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    I just want to give a shout out to BA @TheJermis . He is a real asset to the BA Community!!

    Cheers to TheJermis!!
     
  4. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    I figured I'd go ahead and share what I sent to @finsfan.

    Two Jokers Double-Wit
    Malt:

    Pale Malt – 50%
    Wheat – 21%
    Malted Wheat – 24%
    Flaked Oats – 5%

    Mash Schedule:
    50 C – 31 minutes
    63 C – 60 minutes
    73 C – 15 minutes
    Mash off at 78 C

    Here’s where things get interesting. To create the acidity in Two Jokers, we brewhouse/kettle sour the wort. We lauter off the grain like normal, but then cool the wort down to 35 C and pitch with lactobacillus in a CO2 purged vessel on the brewhouse. We allow the wort to acidify over the weekend and come in and boil it like normal after we’ve confirmed we’ve dropped to the desired pH. Since we’re brewing multiple batches into the same fermenter, we’ll sour 25% of the total volume of the tank and treat the other brews like normal. If we were brewing into a 600 bbl tank, 1 150 bbl batch would be sour while the remain 3 would be normal.

    We’re targeting a beginning of boil gravity of 16 Plato and are looking for 17.3 at the end of our 70 minute boil. We see an increase of .8 Plato from an addition of dextrose midway through the boil.

    Hops:
    Magnum – 8.1 IBUs at 10 minutes after beginning of boil
    Perle – 4.9 IBUs 55 minutes after beginning of boil

    Spices:

    The following are added to the kettle with 5 minutes left in the boil:
    Coriander – 25 g/hl
    Orange Peel – 50 g/hl
    Peppercorn – 4.9 g/hl
    Cardamom - .2 g/hl
    Lavender is added during whirlpooling at the rate of 4.9 g/hl

    We cool the wort to 19 C and pitch with our house Belgian strain. I’d suggest going with a high gravity Trappist strain to closely approximate the yeast strain we’re using. We ferment at 21 C until we reach 7 Plato at which point we temp up to 23 C for the remainder of fermentation. Final gravity should be 3.8.

    Specs:
    ABV – 8
    IBU – 15
    EBC – 15.8
     
  5. finsfan

    finsfan Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 Kansas

    Thank you so much for this recipe! What PH do you normally shoot for on the lacto?
     
  6. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    3.7ish.
     
  7. Scumbag81

    Scumbag81 Initiate (0) Sep 10, 2014 California
    Trader

    Any interest in sharing the recipe for that insanely delicious wheatwine you guys make? :wink:
     
  8. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    Sure thing.

    Harvest Dance Wheat Wine
    Malt:

    Pale Malt – 35.6%
    Pilsner Malt – 12.3%
    Malted Wheat – 23.9%
    Wheat – 21.6%
    Cara 120 – 2.3%
    Amber 50 – 2.3%
    Flaked Oats – 2.1%

    Mash Schedule:
    52 C – 25 minutes
    63 C – 50 minutes
    73 C – 15 minutes
    Mash off at 78 C

    We target a beginning of boil gravity of 15.4 and reach 19.1 at the end of the boil with 3.1 Plato coming from an addition of dextrose midway through the boil.

    Hops:

    Citra – 6.4 IBU first wort
    Perle – 2.1 IBU first wort
    Perle – 4.1 IBU ten minutes after beginning of boil
    Citra – 17.6 IBU at KO
    Citra – 4.8 IBU during whirlpooling

    We cool the wort to 19 C and ferment with our house Belgian strain until we reach 9 Plato. At that point, we temp up to 23 C for the remainder of fermentation. Final gravity is 2.5.

    Dry Hopping:
    Citra - .1 kg/bbl

    Oak Aging:

    Equal amounts of French and American Oak spirals for a total of 1 lb/bbl until we’re happy with the oak character.

    Specs:
    ABV – 9.5
    IBU – 42
    EBC - 23
     
  9. finsfan

    finsfan Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 Kansas

    Is Two Jokers nixed from the seasonal lineup?!
     
  10. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

  11. finsfan

    finsfan Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 Kansas

    I just noticed it was gone. :grimacing:

    On the mash, is it just a step mash? No decoction or turbid mash, right?
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Cardamom and lavender are two ingredients that are easy to get wrong with an overdose. Never had Two Jokers, but would you say the cardamom and lavender were both noticeable, but not overpowering?
     
  13. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    Sorry, I just saw this. It's a step mash as indicated by the mash schedule. There's no decoction and it's not a turbid mash.
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    As are coriander and bitter orange peel ...in a Wit
     
  15. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
    Trader

    @TheJermis Care to share the 80 Acre recipe? I need a boat beer this summer and figured I'd take advantage of your generosity. Thanks!
     
  16. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    Sure thing. Please email me at jdanner at boulevard dot com. It's worth noting that you should be able to find 80-Acre Hoppy Wheat Beer on shelves in Florida.
     
  17. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
    Trader

    Thank you. "Take advantage" was probably the wrong choice of words. Boulevard is indeed on shelves down here, but for some reason 80 Acre doesn't show up as much.
     
  18. JeremyDanner

    JeremyDanner Zealot (679) Dec 20, 2005 Missouri

    No worries. I didn't take it that way at all. I just wanted to make sure you knew that it was available in your area. You might give our beer finder a try.

    http://www.boulevard.com/beers/beer-finder/

    It's showing a few spots around 33041 with 80-Acre Hoppy Wheat on shelves or on tap. The finder is based on ordering history, not real time inventory so it's always best to call ahead before you make the trip over.
     
  19. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    i love two jokers but im still new to the whole brewing thing.
    could one of you kind advocates write up a simpler recipe for an average 5 gallon batch?
    or is this way out of the league of a newbie brewer?
     
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