Bourbon Barrel Advice

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  1. VACraftBeerLover

    VACraftBeerLover Initiate (0) Apr 29, 2013 Virginia

    I recently acquired a 3 gallon bourbon barrel and have an imperial stout aging in it now. I will taste it periodically to see how it is progressing. However, I was wondering who else out there has used a barrel of this size and has a time recommendation. My main concern is it may be a month before I am able to brew again, then a few weeks until the next beer is ready to go in the barrel. I want to avoid having the barrel empty for too long. Ideally I would want to drain the stout and put in the next beer, a scotch/wee heavy.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I have not used a barrel, but from what I have read, and looking again at Mad Fermentationist's blog, looks like he did about 3 weeks in a 5 gallon batch. You may want to squeeze in a brew day tomorrow.
     
  3. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Buy three gallons of bourbon, white whisky or vodka and place in barrel if you can't brew in time. It will prevent the barrel from drying out and help against spoilage (may not prevent but won't hurt). Added bonus of aging white whiskey or vodka is that you'll potentially get to drink a bourbon esque liquor when you empty the barrel.
     
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  4. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Given the small volume of this barrel, I like the idea of keeping it topped up and avoiding letting it sit dry. A smaller piece of wood will dry out more quickly.
     
  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    You can keep on tasting it, but I think commercial brewers allow a beer to spend at least several months in the barrel, so waiting until you can brew again may even be too soon to empty/refill it.
     
  6. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    They (Pros) also use 50-55 gallon barrels. Barrels this small, can be done in as short as a week or two (Initial tannic phase followed by integration), so its better to have beer ready soon rather than later if not filling barrel with water or spirits to keep it hydrated.
     
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  7. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    I've never used a barrel so small, but in our Buffalo Trace barrels at work, we typically begin to taste bourbon in the beer after 3 weeks and at 6 weeks it seems to hit its peak. Of course, each individual barrel is different and temperature will play a role as well. This is also assuming that it is the first time the barrel has been filled after having whiskey in it. We use our's three times, but each use takes longer to get bourbon flavor. After three uses, we don't get much bourbon flavor anymore, so we pick out a few barrels, age beer in them, and we consider them oak aged, not bourbon barrel aged.
     
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  8. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Also, in some barrels, we have noticed a significant bourbon flavor in as little as three days. In a few cases, it has even been overwhelming after three days. We have experienced this in barrels that have the same exact markings, and they've sat at the same temperatures as other barrels which might take longer. This seems to be related to the amount of whiskey still being in the barrel at the time of arrival at the brewery. It seems like the distilleries are not always leaving the same amount of whiskey behind in each barrel.
     
  9. jae

    jae Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2010 Washington

    I'd be careful not to overoak. Get that thing out of the barrel in a couple/few weeks. While it's ideal to drain and refill immediately, you can fill with a holdin solution (water and potassium metabisulfate). That (hopefully) will keep the beer "clean".
     
  10. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Try not to worry too much about having your barrel empty. I'm on my fourth batch with a 5 gallon barrel from Balcones and it has sat empty for a few weeks at a time before. In between batches I'll rinse out the barrel real good, then run some 180* water through it. Add some whisky too it and shake it around every day or so.
     
  11. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    I have a handle of whiskey I just dump in the barrel between brews (I have some 5 gallon balcones barrels). I rotate the barrel and occasionally sit it on either end to keep it wet/sanitized/conditioned. The down side is that having some head space means you will loose more. It you dont open it a lot it only looses 25ml or so to the oak and air. I mostly take comfort in the whiskey killing the bacteria that could get in...
     
  12. GRBrew

    GRBrew Initiate (0) Jan 12, 2009 Michigan

    I have used barrels of all different sizes from 5 to 60 and each has spent some time empty. Like said above, get a handle of the cheapest vodka or bourbon you can find and dump it in. Move it around every once in a while and you are good to go. I wouldn't rinse with water as that just takes more of the bourbon/oak flavor out and will likely add contaminants you don't want.

    On the time in the barrel, I usually leave my 5 for 1-2 months and my 15 for about 3 months.
     
  13. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    Before I sour'd my barrels I rinsed they with 180 to 200* water and then let them sit overnight to cool before putting anything in. I think that may have stripped some nice things out but it also got rid of the caked trub. After I sour'd I just dumped the next thing in there, maybe a light rinse with boiled and cooled water...
     
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