Bourbon County Clone?

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  1. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri

    I need some recipe critique guys! I am acquiring a 47 gallon bourbon barrel for my homebrew club from a local distillery, and we decided we wanted to make a big RIS to fill it. Here is the recipe we are looking at brewing, any critiques/criticisms are helpful.

    5.5 Gallon Batch

    21 Pounds 2-row
    3 Pounds Munich
    1.25 Pounds Caramel 60
    1.25 Pounds Chocolate Malt
    .5 Pounds Roasted Barley
    .25 Pounds Black Patent Malt

    Mash at 155 for 75 minutes, sparge as usual.

    50 IBU bittering charge with a flavor neutral hop at 90 minutes
    10 IBU Willamette at 30
    5 IBU Willamette at 15

    Ferment with a crap ton of US-05 properly rehydrated, pitching rate via Mrmalty.com

    Pure O2 prior to pitching, another blast at 24 and 36 hours.

    We will all brew and ferment separately, taste all the beer to make sure there is no contamination, and then siphon it into a bourbon barrel drained that day, where it will sit until we determine it has the flavor we are looking for.

    Beersmith estimates 1.030 as the FG, I expect more like 1.045-1.050. This will be a huge beer with an OG of around 1.130 if we can pull it off. What does everyone think?
    What do you guys think? Beersmith tells me this
     
  2. nquigley16

    nquigley16 Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2012 Massachusetts

    You think that's enough roasted barley and black patent? it seems a little low for the amount of chocolate and crystal your using. If it were me I might step that up a just a little, but I like where your going, this should be a great beer, good luck! (you'll need it with that OG :wink:)
     
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  3. primrose54

    primrose54 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2009 Ohio

    I would also up the amount of chocolate and black patent by at least a pound each if not more. Also, I would consider using WL099 (super yeast) I have used it once and it went crazy. Just make sure you mash higher if you use that yeast.
     
  4. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I actually like where your head is at with the roasted malts, I've used that much in an RIS that I think is plenty roasty. HOWEVER, mine was 1# roast barley, 8oz pale chocolate, 4oz chocolate, and 4oz black patent, and it also used 8oz of CaraAroma (weyermann's version of special B) and a pound of D-180 syrup in it, so it was getting some dark flavors elsewhere as well.

    So would say split your crystal between the 60L and something in the 120-160L range, use roasted barley as the predominate roasted grain, and work in some dark candi syrup. The syrup will also help you attain a lower FG if it's subbed out for some base malt.
     
  5. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Also, mash low, you're gonna have plenty of body with that OG, regardless of how fermentable your wort is. Might as well give the yeast a fighting chance.
     
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  6. Sqhead

    Sqhead Crusader (446) Jul 5, 2007 New Jersey
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    I recently brewed my second batch of Kate The Great. Mashed at 149. OG 1.105, pitched on a yeast cake and one week later it's down to 1.025. Looking forward to this next year.
     
  7. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri


    My standard RIS I do uses .5 lbs black patent and .25 oz roasted barley for a 6 gallon batch. I also use only about a pound of chocolate in it, along with 20 pounds of base grain. I may tinker with the numbers to adjust the percentage of crystal, although I am personally not a huge roasted barley fan, so I try to keep that low. Also, I doubt there is much in BCBS- it is much more smooth than roasty in my opinion. I will post a new grain bill here soon.


    Our homebrew shop (also where our club meets) is cutting a discount for the ingredients as of now, and they don't regularly receive white labs except for special orders. We were considering tossing in a small amount of champagne yeast closer to the end of fermentation to help finish off the fermentation.
     
  8. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri

    New and improved grain bill:
    21 pounds 2-row
    3 pounds munich
    1.25 pounds chocolate
    .75 lbs black patent
    .75 pounds roasted barley
    .5 pounds crystal 60

    mash at 150
     
  9. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri


    Why next year? As long as you fermented well (temp control) you should be able to drink up in a couple months. My RIS with an OG of 1.098 and FG of 1.025 took 3rd place BOS in a competition this weekend, and I brewed it in the beginning of June!
     
  10. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    Die myth die! :slight_smile: Champagne yeast won't dry a beer out as it can only ferment simple sugars. Champagne yeast is great for bottling higher grav beers as it can ferment priming sugar under adverse conditions, but it won't do anything with with the maltose, maltotriose, or possible dextrins that a beer yeast didn't ferment.

    Goose Island lists the ingredients on their website, quite possibly by order of amount used, so you'll need to make some recipe changes if you really want to clone it.

    What sort of efficiency do you get? It could very well be higher than mine, but on a big beer I do well to hit the high 60%s, which would give around 1.121, which would have to get down to 1.011ish for 14.5% abv, which I'm guessing is lower than BCBS finishes.

    Hope this helps your effort and good luck.
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I would give it more O2 at 12 and 18 hours, but that is just me. If you see signs of fermentation, more O2 may not be a good thing.
     
  12. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri

    Okay, no champagne yeast! I actually went and read up before you posted, and yeah, I won't be using any.

    I based my recipe around their ingredients on the website. The amounts are now a little different than the order on the website, but all the same still :grinning:.

    I personally get 75% mash efficiency, and only lose a couple percentage points when I max out my mash tun. For this one, I will be brewing on a friend's 32 gallon RIMS system, he gets 83% mash and 73% brewhouse, so we may throw in another .25 lb grain per 5.5 gallons, but we should be good on that front. His tun can accommodate 75 pounds of grain, so we should be golden on efficiency.
     
  13. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2012 Tennessee

    Almost all the same, they use debittered black and you've got black patent. I really like castle debittered black malt. I'm jealous of your friends system. Being able to do a double brew to fill a barrel by myself would be a dangerous and fantastic.
     
  14. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri


    Sorry, was copying it from beersmith. It should be debittered black.
     
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  15. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    As I was just in the situation, I was wondering when does it become bad to hit a big beer with O2. There are probably multiple variables including the gravity of the beer.
     
  16. tylermains

    tylermains Initiate (0) Apr 6, 2010 Kentucky

    Do not mash at 150. I know it sounds overly-simple, but what we learned when first brewing does hold true. Mashing that low will, in the end, create a thinner beer with less chew and an out of balance booze. You also want to compensate for the barrel. You want an extra sweet beer because of that, even as sweet as bourbon is. Mash at 155 F.
     
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  17. Sqhead

    Sqhead Crusader (446) Jul 5, 2007 New Jersey
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    Congrats on your medal. I meant "2014" for my brew and not necessarily 12 months. I think these brews benefit with at least 6 months of age.
     
  18. Sqhead

    Sqhead Crusader (446) Jul 5, 2007 New Jersey
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    I am no expert when it comes to RIS, I have brewed three so far. I followed Todd's (Brewer of Kate The Great)
    instructions concerning a Kate Clone. You can read about it here:http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/official-kate-great-russian-imperial-stout-clone-217674/
     
  19. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California


    I'll second this. My first attempt at a massive barleywine was mashed at 148 for 90 minutes, and despite using a good chunk of crystal malt (10% of the grain bill) and medium attenuating yeast (Fermented at 62 F before a d-rest), it finished wayyy to dry and boozy. Subsequent attempts solely upping the mash temp to 158 F for 60 min have resulted in fuller bodied beers that held up well to the barrel and were spot on in terms of mouthfeel and flavor (not overly sweet).
     
  20. justforrazors

    justforrazors Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2013 Missouri



    Still debating what to do. I think that with an OG of 1.130, even if I hit 75% attenuation, I would be left with a FG of 1.032. Shouldn't that provide enough sweetness and residual sugars to bump up the body? Maybe a middle ground, like 153-155?
     
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