Bourbon fading - is this a rule or is it variable?

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  1. BrownNut

    BrownNut Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Florida

    New to cellaring. I've searched on this question but haven't found anything definitive.

    I know hops fade and coffee fades and other volatile things fade over time. But does bourbon from barrel aging fade in a stout? Seems like bourbon in a bourbon bottle wouldn't fade, but maybe that's different. And is this universal or does it just vary from beer to beer?

    If you like the bourbon element of a given BA stout, are you better served to go ahead and drink it fresh? I saw somebody say that the bourbon in KBS fades away after a year, for example. I could have sworn I once read somebody saying that bourbon actually upticked in something after aging a while, but I may be misremembering that.

    I've got some Parabola '12, Abyss '11, BCBS '12, and KBS '12. Had to trade to get them and don't have enough tradeable stock myself to go for multiples of Abyss and Parabola to test out fresh vs. aged, as opposed to trading for the other things on my priority list.

    I figure I might as well drink the Abyss '11 since it's already got a year on it, and of course I won't know what I may be missing, not having tried it fresh.

    With the Parabola, I've only got one shot so I'm 50/50 on whether to age it or drink it. I'm sure it will be good either way but am interested in the bourbon aspect.

    I have one more BCBS that I might as well age since I had one fresh. Same for the KBS (well, it was 8 months). But I like bourbon and have yet to find a beer I think is too hot. Should I expect these to lose their bourbon character over another year?
     
  2. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Duck!

    You're about to get plenty of opinions, but here's my four cents: depends on the beer.

    Not only that, but fading/not aren't the only two options. Some BA beers mellow, lose their heat, or the base beer comes to the fore (which might or might not be the same thing).

    As for the beers you've listed:
    - Parabola: Parabola is amazing fresh & the Batch 1 is absolutely mind-blowing right now. Can't lose either way. If you've never had it, fresher is better so you at least have some baseline.
    - Abyss: I actually am not terribly fond of Abyss fresh, but it's in my top 3 to age. With 1-2 years on it, it's a great beer, & for my money, the '08 is the best of the bunch right now. Will age like a champ & I prefer it aged by a big margin.
    - BCBS: Ditto. Not a big fan fresh. Had some '08 on tap & out of the bottle in the last few months & it's awe-inspiring. I don't buy much of it, but I don't drink it fresh.
    - KBS: If you like coffee, drink this one fresh. That will fade over time. Not a big fan of this one aged, it seems to get muddled & the bourbon does seem to drop off quickly.

    Any way you cut it these are great beers.
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  3. foobula

    foobula Zealot (735) Dec 14, 2009 Illinois

    Can't speak for the others, but BCBS has been keeping its bourbony goodness for roughly 6 years. So the 2006 is just beginning to fade while the 2003 bears very little resemblance, it's quite faded. A few other posters have echoed that opinion, give or take a year.
     
  4. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    Does bourbon fade? In my experience, yes and no. The sweet bourbon flavor doesn't really fade, but it "smooths out" over time. However, parrt of the bourbon flavor is alcohol, and over time the alcohol isn't so noticeable.
     
  5. gklover1

    gklover1 Zealot (555) Oct 18, 2009 Colorado

    Not meaning to threadjack, but the '12 is freaking AMAZING fresh, which is crazy odd considering they ticked up the ABV a notch. It is just awesome. (Doesn't mean I won't be cellaring some, though...)
     
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  6. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,686) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    BCS hasn't reached Minnesota yet, so I can't comment on the '12, but I'll be willing to choke down a bit to find out if this year is better fresh. :slight_smile:
     
  7. harrymel

    harrymel Initiate (0) Dec 15, 2010 Washington

    I will echo the "depends" opinion.

    Abyss: the '11 has less bourbon than the '10 to me. In the '08, the bourbon has really become more subtle. So year to year even it has variation.

    KBS: I find it fades out within a year, doesn't go bad as a beer, but fresh is good for this beer pretty consistently for me.

    BCBS: has been variable year to year also. '11 drank beautifully out the gate, haven't had it in a few months, but that was great with balanced bourbon. The bourbon in the '09 was not very noticeable to me fresh (maybe just too hot for my tastes) but is now really bourbon forward in a creative way.

    I really can't speak well about Parabola, it's a good beer, but I've never felt it is particularly bourbony...

    I would drink that Abyss now, or try to score a '10, it the difference is pretty flagrant IMO.

    cheers
    harry
     
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  8. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    Surprised no one has brought this up yet but the barrel aging in the Abyss has varied .The types of barrels used, percentage of beer in each barrel, etc. are different in the 2010 and 2011. I'd say its damn near impossible to compare the bourbon notes accurately btwn those two vinatges. It's like comparing apples to oranges.
     
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  9. jtierney89

    jtierney89 Initiate (0) Aug 15, 2011 New Jersey

    From what I can tell, bourbon flavor never really fades, it just mellows like real bourbon, those sweet undertones remain while the brash in your face flavors recede.
     
  10. BruceBruce

    BruceBruce Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2011 Texas

    BCBS 10 had way more bourbon then fresh IMO but 08 had faded away a bit so just on that I think 2 years is my mark for aging them
     
  11. starrdogg

    starrdogg Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2010 District of Columbia

    From my experience I would say that it depends on the beer. Two beers where I've noticed the bourbon diminishing significantly with age are KBS and Abacus. I would definitely recommend against aging either of those as they are so good fresh and definitely not as good with age. I haven't had Parabola with a ton of age on it, but I definitely thought the '11 was way better super fresh than it was with about 6 months on it. My experience with aging Abacus further leads me to believe that Parabola is not one to be cellared.
     
  12. BrownNut

    BrownNut Initiate (0) Jul 11, 2011 Florida

    I like the logic, starrdogg. Fresh it is.

    Thanks everybody, good intel.
     
  13. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    1) it definitely varies, and actually the rate of hop and coffee fading does too.

    2) in my experience, what fades is oak influence. if there's enough actual bourbon in the beer that you taste that and not just a suggestion of bourbon from the oak flavors (oak flavors are a lot of what's good about bourbon to begin with), i doubt that bourbon flavor will ever fade (in fact i'd expect it to outlast the base beer flavors).

    but, "tasting bourbon" in beer is usually "tasting oak," so "bourbon fades."

    called away without proofreading, but hopefully this post is helpful.
     
  14. ObeMaltKinobee

    ObeMaltKinobee Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2010 Illinois

    If it is a beer aged in Pappy barrels you need to age it for 5 years. No more no less. At that special time open it and a unicorn will pop out.
     
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