Boycotting 10 Barrel & Elysian

Discussion in 'Northwest' started by Reidrover, Mar 17, 2015.

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  1. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    To get to what appears to the central point of your arguement (why doesn't AB own up to their ownership), I think the answer is obvious.

    Some years back, when AB's current stratedgy for competing with the craft beer market included the introduction of so called "stealth" brewery beers, I know a number of folks called them out on it (as the labels made no mention of the connection to AB). Their explanation at the time was a bit disingenuous I thought (they stated that many craft consumers wouldn't give the new beers a fair chance if they knew they were brewed under the AB umbrella), but it was pretty easy to understand their point.

    Among a large percentage of craft beer consumers, there is a certain perception regarding AB products, and most would agree it's not exactly positive. Many folks likely will outright boycott (or whatever you want to call it) 10 barrel beers, just because of their connection with AB. However, not everyone is the ultra beer geek one sees on this site, and so my guess is that many don't know about AB's purchase of 10 Barrel, or even if they read something about it a couple months back, it's something they're like to forget about, if they're not constantly reminded of it (like they might be if it was printed on the label).

    Anyway, to make this very simple Reidrover, let me ask you this. Do you think 10 Barrel products would sell better with or without something on the label that references the new ownership arrangement with AB? For me the answer is pretty obvious, and I think that answers your question. I've always felt that the folks at AB were businessmen first and brewers second, so anything that's going to adversely affect their bottom line, of course they're going to be opposed or adverse to it.
     
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  2. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I remember for a while Goose Island IPA kegs were being sold at ridiculous low prices in Oregon..i think they gave up on that as it didnt help.
    I have to work but i checked Widmers web site using their search and they do mention CAB
     
  3. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I agree..its my main point.
    But they were happy to take the money and investment..should be proud of it.
    I would understand that..and probably buy their beers.
    I just see it as not truthful.
     
  4. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    Also Gambrinus is on the back label of Bridgeport bottles.n Or used to be its been a while!
     
  5. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Let us not forget that ABI is only ABI here in the USA (IIRC). When InBev bought A-B, they chose to put the A-B part in front, so consumers wouldn't remember, or perhaps even realize, that the Bud in their hand was owned by some Brazilian conglomerate.
     
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  6. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    and wouldn't having "Anheuser-Busch" on the label and maybe the Eagle motive attract Bud drinkers to the brands and maybe sell more?
     
  7. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    LOL!! Maybe your experience is different than mine, but for the most part, I can't see a lot of bud drinkers picking up a 6 pack of Apocolypse IPA at the local Safeway. It's too expensive, and has way, way too much flavor.
     
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  8. mrgabe

    mrgabe Initiate (0) Jul 12, 2013 Oregon

    I have always hated this argument. Are there local choices for these products you listed? With craft beer you do have that choice to pick local and keep all of the money here.
     
  9. dphi

    dphi Zealot (534) Apr 14, 2013 Oregon

    lol look at this guy without a craft cell phone
     
  10. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I know I was kinda being a d**k. .
    Have you seen the price of Bud nowadays?
    Not that much cheaper than say Widmer etc
     
  11. OregonHopmonster

    OregonHopmonster Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2011 Oregon

    Beechwood aging is expensive!
     
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  12. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    I thought it was the Hard Way they did everything
     
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  13. derftron

    derftron Pooh-Bah (1,663) Feb 8, 2012 Oregon
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    My point is that its damn near impossible to live in modern america and not be supporting multiple corporations that do things we (mostly) all do not agree with. Therefor "standing up" to AB is a way of voting with your wallet i guess, but seems like a funny place to plant your flag. On the list of people/industry that need support, I would put craft brewers about 2578th.
     
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  14. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    I suspect that will have a big impact on who stays!
     
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  15. maltmaster420

    maltmaster420 Initiate (0) Aug 17, 2005 Oregon

    I suspect that the lack of AB logos on their craft brands has more to do with brand identity than anything else. When you have a brand/logo that's as iconic as Budweiser you don't want to dilute it, or even worse, risk confusing/scaring your core customers because they picked up a picked up a bottle of Super Fuzz thinking it was a typical AB product.

    They also have nothing really to gain by slapping their logo on 10BBL or Elysian products because of the sentiments we're seeing in this very thread.

    When it comes down to it, ABinBev own something like 200 brands around the world, and most of them lack any indication of who the parent company is.

    Also, where can I get one of those craft cell phones?
     
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  16. Gobigvt7

    Gobigvt7 Zealot (709) Mar 15, 2008 Oregon

    Enjoyed the post, and I agree with almost all of it myself.

    I do have to tell you that AB-Inbev definitely did offer 1/2bbls of Goose IPA for like $60 in OR a few months ago, and that opportunity was around for awhile, and I know bars that took them up on it. They also launched, for instance, 312 Pale in a manner that, even while new, could be purchased for like $10 a case in the sales room of the distributor. I know this was widespread and will likely happen again and again with any/all of their craft brands in continued efforts to squeeze out the small guys. And it could work too in my opinion, given even time and in a variety of markets.
     
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  17. Aestro

    Aestro Devotee (360) Nov 29, 2009 Oregon

    I'm not going to formally boycott either, but will likely avoid both companies for the most part. Not so much because I absolutely resent anyone that "sells out", but because I don't want to do my part to encourage the big boys to pursue "buying credibility" as a strategy.

    That, and as others pointed out I kind of felt like both breweries were "okay" to begin with. I liked Night Owl as probably the best widely available pumpkin seasonal, and if either brewery puts out something interesting I'll give it a go, but they're also both rather easy to keep out of the normal rotation.
     
  18. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Sorry, should have used a less emotionally charged word like "inconsistency," but the point still stands: making a public declaration like that just opens you up to having the principle you're standing on scrutinized. I make hypocritical buying decisions all the time, often because I can't afford the more ethical choice; I didn't mean it as a slur.
     
  19. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Couldn't have said it better. That's me in a nutshell as well.
     
  20. woemad

    woemad Grand Pooh-Bah (5,601) Jun 8, 2003 Washington
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    It's hard to boycott breweries I only ever bought from a handful of times in the first place. In the future, it will be an elephant in the room when I consider purchasing one of their beers, but it rarely happens, anyway.
     
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