Brett IPAs

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by fmccormi, Aug 23, 2014.

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Brett IPAs: Yay or nay?

  1. Nay

    25 vote(s)
    15.6%

  2. YAAAAAAAAAAAAY

    126 vote(s)
    78.8%

  3. wha?

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  1. Greywulfken

    Greywulfken Grand Pooh-Bah (5,815) Aug 25, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I had Galaxy when it first came around - never with any real age on it.
     
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  2. sukwonee

    sukwonee Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 Washington

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  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    "Brett" was a suggested addition to US pre-Prohibition ales for brewers who wanted to duplicate the "character as to taste and flavor" of English ales of the time.
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    That last line is somewhat puzzling, since at the time the conventional way to pasteurize beer was tunnel pasteurization after bottling. ("Flash" pasteurizing had yet to become commonplace).
     
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  4. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Never had Le Terroir fresh, unfortunately. I'd say that it's related, but not the kind of beer I was thinking of for this conversation. Le Terroir is a golden sour ale that's dry-hopped pretty healthily, if I'm not mistaken; plus, New Belgium flash pasteurizes their wild beers before bottling, so that definitely changes its position in this conversation.

    The beers I'm reaaaaally interested in discussing here are those that are intentionally brewed with the goal of pushing the brett culture to alter, rearrange, and/or metabolize the hop compounds in the beer, if I've got the science right. Le Terroir is a lovely, brilliant beer and indicative of a whole other trend I'd love to see become bigger, but not quite what I had in mind here.
     
    #44 fmccormi, Aug 25, 2014
  5. slengteng

    slengteng Initiate (0) Apr 9, 2014 Massachusetts

    I enjoyed the Mikkeller/Prairie "American Style". I'd give it a 4 out of 5.
     
    #45 slengteng, Aug 25, 2014
  6. Geuzedad

    Geuzedad Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2010 Arizona

    I currently have a Galaxy White in the cellar with about 8 months or so on it. I will probably open it this fall or the first of next year. I can say that the Brett will change the complexity of the beer over time as the hops will fall out and the Brett will take over. The Wild Devil I spoke about in my post did just that. It was unrecognizable as Wild Devil.
     
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  7. gillagorilla

    gillagorilla Pooh-Bah (2,691) Feb 27, 2013 Maryland
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    I would have added an "EhhhHHhh" option.
     
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  8. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

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  9. parrotsnest

    parrotsnest Initiate (0) Aug 16, 2010 Washington

    FFF Urine Trouble was pretty amazing imo. Highly underrated.
     
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  10. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    To me it seems like the Brett extends the hop aroma and flavor.
     
    #50 spicoli00, Aug 26, 2014
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  11. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
    Pooh-Bah

    Surely Orval is the pick of the bunch?
     
    #51 patto1ro, Aug 26, 2014
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Ron, do you consider Orval to be an IPA?

    Cheers!
     
    #52 JackHorzempa, Aug 26, 2014
  13. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    So, I have to ask: who's brewed stuff like this at home? How does it come out? Any tricks or advice?
     
    #53 fmccormi, Aug 28, 2014
  14. DrRambis

    DrRambis Initiate (0) Jan 10, 2014 New Jersey

    So has anyone had any of those recent Evil Twin releases (Femme Fetale with Sudachi, ... w/ Kabuso, Sour Bikini). Saw all three of these at my local haunt but didn't pull the trigger...they were all around 13 dollars. Should I rush back? Not much in the way of reviews of these up yet on the boards except for Sour Bikini.

    Haven't had too many Brett Pales although I did enjoy the recent release of Wild Devil like many others here. I have had Allagash Confluence (excellent) and Allagash Midnight Brett (strange but alluring nonetheless)
     
    #54 DrRambis, Aug 28, 2014
  15. dortenzio1991

    dortenzio1991 Crusader (486) Aug 12, 2011 Connecticut

    I just saw Femme Fatale Yuzu pop up at my local store in CT. My bet is that it's a frash batch
     
    #55 dortenzio1991, Aug 28, 2014
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  16. fatsnowman22

    fatsnowman22 Zealot (554) Feb 2, 2011 Nevada

    As far as brewing, make a starter with Brett trois for a week and pitch into a really hoppy ipa and ferment the same and you will have a tropical bomb. Light malt bill is my preference
     
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  17. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    100% brett, then? Or brett/sacch? What kind of malts do you think are best? I read this little snippet:

    similarly, brett doesn't respond to the sugars created by mash temps ranges in the same way as sacc. we all know that brett can eat long-chain sugars, but not more than it likes to eat short ones. to reduce the time in the fermenter, reduce the dextrinous sugars. mash low, no crystal. depend on the beta glucans in rye, wheat, oats for body. instead of residual sugars and glycerol produced by the sacc. (source: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f127/useful-brett-info-summarized-chad-yakobson-427705/)
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    I'm a big fan of beers with wheat and oats in them so this sounds perfect to me.
     
    #57 fmccormi, Aug 28, 2014
  18. rightcoast7

    rightcoast7 Maven (1,330) Apr 2, 2011 Maine
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    I haven't had a ton of these, as there just don't seem to be that many available, but for me, Bitter Monk is the gold standard in this category. Galaxy and Hop Savant are also quite good. I think it's a really interesting style and would certainly like to see more.
     
    #58 rightcoast7, Aug 28, 2014
  19. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    It was limited, so I know many of you never tried it, but Super Friends not only is the best Brett IPA I have tasted, but one of the best IPA of any kind I've tasted. Original Bitter Monk was great too, and Galaxy is excellent.

    Peekskill's Tiger Mom seems to me too barnyard, which someone mentioned as being not a good fit with citrus hops, and I agree.

    However Other Half, a small NYC brewery has one on now that is simply fantastic, called Cool Summer Bro.

    Will be on the lookout for others mentioned here, as this style is a favorite of mine.

    And if I could give some advice, don't age Wild Devil too long, it becomes full of vomit and garbage aromas, and taste deteriorates to a horror of strong awfulness.
     
    #59 cavedave, Aug 28, 2014
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  20. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    I remember when Super Friends was out—I was new to the Syracuse area and missed getting a growler fill or a pint of it by this much more than once. Ah, well.
    These are both breweries that I never saw hide nor hair of in upstate NY, unfortunately, and now I'm even farther away in FL.
    Oh, Dave. I always appreciate your candor.
     
    #60 fmccormi, Aug 28, 2014
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