Brett Saison question/advice

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  1. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    hey guys, last weekend I brewed a saison that I planned to transfer to secondary and then pitch with a Brett blend... the airlock was going like crazy less then 8 hours after pitching and the temp rose from 68 to 76 over the course of 3 days before the temp and airlock activity dropped off over the last 2 days... so I took a gravity reading today and it’s down to to 1.012, so not bad but maybe not necessarily done for a saison... so my question after all this... should I try to get the saison to start fermenting again or should I just go ahead and pitch the Brett? I figure there’s nothing wrong with giving the Brett that much extra sugar to eat, right?
    Thanks!
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    I'd say go for it.
     
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  3. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Pitch it. I don’t like using diastaticus yeast so I generally use a Belgian Ale yeast that finishes at 1.010 to 1.012 then transfer to secondary vessel and pitch Brett. Some Brett strains only need a couple months, some take more time. Mine always finish around 1.004. Brett will develop even more in the bottle so as long as you have stable gravity you can just bottle then. I’d just recommend some heavy glass to be sure.
     
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  4. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    I used WLP565 and I’ve read stories on here and other places of that yeast stalling, so I was happy to see it down to 1.012, but I wasn’t sure if that was fully attenuated... it went from 1.063 to 1.012, so 81% which is actually higher than white labs advertises so I guess all good... and yeah, I was thinking about bottling in cork and cage 750s... I am planning on pitching omega Brett #2 bit o’ funk. Do you have any experience with that? They say it’ll take 3 months+ which I’m perfectly fine with
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    What were your grain bill, mash temp, and mash length?
     
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  6. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    70 pils / 30 wheat
    Mash length 60 minutes
    Mash temp was actually an issue that I need to work on... I do biab and mash in the kettle which I obviously don’t insulate enough... my goal was 150 and I hit 151 at mash in and it went from 151 to 149 in about 10 minutes so I put it back on the heat for a minute and it went up to about 154, then I just let it go and it went from 154 steadily down to 142 over the course of the last 45 minutes... I figure it spend enough time between 152 and 148 to get decent conversion and I got about 70% efficiency
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm. Hard (impossible, IMO) to predict the impact on attenuation with the mash temp fluctuating like that, but let's pretend it was at 150F for 60 minutes. With your grain bill and yeast strain, I'd predict the gravity to go from 1.063 to 1.011. Your 1.012 is pretty darn close to that.
     
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  8. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    I don’t have any experience with that Omega culture. I typically only use Brett from The Yeast Bay and/or dregs.

    I’d just check gravity after a month and after two months. If it’s stable after 2 I’d package it. If your bottle conditioning the Brett will continue to develop and some people. Say it develops better/faster under pressure.

    My favorite Brett strain is TYB-184. Its very tropical with a bit of funk but it works incredibly fast. Develops its flavor profile and ferments to 1.004 in no more than a month.
     
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  9. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I'm with @wasatchback, and in fact I'd have pitched it right up front but I love Brett. The yeast, not just some guy named Brett.
     
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  10. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Haha, yeah I went back and forth on when to use the Brett and for no real specific reason I decided to pitch after the saison yeast was done... what differences would you expect from the two strategies?
     
  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Ahhh, very good question! If you want those saison notes then you've got to go first with that so you called that right. I would have done the same, but then I'd have tossed in the brett before the temps started dropping because brett takes so long and I think you get a little more kick if it's up there in the initial fermentation.

    The other option is to use just brett but then you get just brett, which is fine by me, but not as complex.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have brewed a couple of batches with a co-pitch in the primary of a Belgian Trappist Ale yeast strain and Brett. Those batches completed fermentation in a short time-frame (e.g., 2 weeks) and that beer was funky from the 'get go'. There was no genuine further development of funky flavors with additional time in the bottle.

    Cheers!
     
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  13. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Awesome, thanks... I’ve heard that the Bretty characteristics can be enhanced by stressing it, so I figured starting it out with less sugars would be a good start. Also, long story short, my basement gets hotter than the rest of my house when the heat is on then gets colder than the house before the heat kicks back on, so I thought the wide temperature fluctuation might be a good thing for this particular beer
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    In addition to using a low mash temp (<150?), you can reduce some of the grain and make up the gravity with simple sugars. This should lead to a lower fg. However, I’d probably be pretty happy with the saison at 1.010-1.012 fg. Might seem a little high for style guidelines but ought to taste great; I’m a fan of this yeastSince your plan is to add Brett, I’d say the guidelines for fg should not be a big concern.
     
  15. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Yes very true... I guess my concern wasn’t necessarily so much about any specific guidelines as it was just being curious about whether I had achieved a successful fermentation up to this point... and I guess it’ll also help for any standard saisons I might brew in the future.
    Thanks!
     
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