BrewCipher 4.0

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, May 20, 2015.

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  1. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I just looked and they don't have Windows downloads anymore. Linux only. I have an old windows version.
     
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just tried the final Windows version of Gnumeric. Alas, it doesn't support macros, which wouldn't be so bad...you can use BrewCipher without using its Macros. But it also gets tripped up by hard coded Data Validation Lists, i.e. all the Hop Type selection L/P, and questions Y/N. I can change those dropdowns to get their values from named ranges in the next release of BrewCipher, at which point I'll list Gnumeric (for Windows) as usable, assuming all else goes well. Alas, for now I can't recommend it, which makes me sad.

    But in a couple hours I'll be visiting a Buffalo brewery opened by one of our old BA Homebrew denizens, so it's still a good day.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Minor Update, Version 4.2.2, the Daylight Wasting Time Version, is up.

    - Now compatible with Gnumeric, for those who don't have Excel and don't like Apache Open Office. (Changed the dropdowns so that all would pull their lists from named ranges instead of delimited lists. For whatever reason, the delimited lists confuse Gnumeric.) Gnumeric's display looks nicer than Open Office's, but the penalty is that the automatic ingredient scaling macros (or any macros) don't work with Gnumeric.
    - Added some new ingredients, mainly a bunch of hop varieties that all the cool kids are using nowadays.

    So...if you're set for hops and don't use Gnumeric, skip this version.

    Or download it and the accompanying User Guide from Google Drive or DropBox.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Minor Update, Version 4.2.3, the Happy New Year Version, is up.

    - Extended the Mash Tun Over Capacity warning(s) to include problematic no-sparge mashouts and batch sparges.

    - Added and Integrated DrewF's Kegging Beer Line Length (balancing) formula to the Carbonation Tab, and included a Keg Line Resistance Multiplier in the Brewhouse parameters. This allows you to dial-in the formula for best pours when your brand of (for example) 3/16" I.D. Plastic Beer Line doesn't behave the way resistance-wise the model would otherwise assume.

    - Added a few new ingredients.

    Download it and the accompanying User Guide from Google Drive or DropBox.
     
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  6. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Both of these are great features for me, I have a slightly undersized mash tun and am constantly on the "can I mash it calculator" when considering no sparge or a huge beer.
     
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  7. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    @VikeMan is there anything that brewcipher can do to account for late additions of DME? (with regards to IBU calcs)
     
  8. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    @jlordi12 one option would be to get the ibu's without the dme in the recipe then put it back in and override the aa% to get back to the correct ibu level
     
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  9. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    That's an interesting theory. What kind of math would you do if you were going to include it at 15 min?
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It would be a bitch, since it's not currently set up for gravity contribution time slicing. Maybe sometime (but probably not soon).

    If you have a standard percentage of your extract you add at 60 minutes and the rest at 15 minutes, give me the percentages and I can probably compute a decent approximation number for you to use in the Brewhouse Hop Utilization Multiplier. (I'm assuming the gravity is coming all or almost all from extract.)

    But...when you say "include it at 15 min," do you mean 100% at 15 minutes? If yes, or if it's much more than half at 15 minutes, I'm not sure a computation would be very useful. That's because I doubt Glenn's data involved utilization at tiny gravities (approaching 1.000), and I suspect the calculation would probably overestimate utilization near that extreme. (By how much, I dunno.)

    Then of course there's the theory that it's not actually the sugars in the wort that affect utilization, but the amount of "something" (maybe cold break after the boil or who-knows-what) that does, and that gravity is really only a proxy for the amount of that "something." In which case, extract addition timing might not be important at all from an IBU standpoint.
     
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  11. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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    40 minute boil was going to put 3 out of 7 lbs in @ 40 and the other 4 in around say 15
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I did some ROM math based on the average gravity throughout the boil...the Hop Utilization Multiplier ought to be about 1.4. Truthfully, I'm not very confident it would work that way in reality, for the reasons already discussed.
     
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  13. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I guess break it into a fudged 45 min addition and a not fudged 15 minute addition? Full weight for both lines
     
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  14. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Hey @VikeMan wondering if you might have the ability to add a post boil/ferment pH adjuster? Thinking something that has Lactic, Phosphoric, Acid Blend, Citric acid options that takes the post boil pH (measured or estimated) and then calculates the adjusted pH as you change the amounts added? Sometimes the pH just isn't where you want it after fermentation is done and you might want to add some acid to bring it down, but how do you know how much? Or, in my current case, wanting to adjust the post-boil pH before pitching Lacto for a kettle sour to ensure head retention and bacterial sanitation. It would be awesome to know that 12 gallons of wort at X pH + Y ml/oz of acid Z = 4.2 pH.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I suspect it would be complicated by the fact that you'd need to know the whole buffer system in the particular wort/beer, and that that hasn't really been studied. But let's ask @utahbeerdude if such a thing is theoretically possible.
     
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  16. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I cannot think of any reason such a model couldn't be built, but, indeed, one would first need experimental data on a wide variety of worts in order to have some idea of the buffering capacity of a given brew. Interesting idea.
     
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  17. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Hey @VikeMan just a thought, and maybe other users can chime in. What about on the recipe building page if you move the top info - Batch Size, eff, boil and mash time, mash temp, style, strike water, brewdate, grain temp - to the bottom of the page and shifted up the predicted pre/post boil OG, app att, predicted FG/ABV/SRM/IBUs box up to the top?

    Here's my thought process... most all of the top section stuff remains the same (I rarely change mash and boil times, or eff, or grain temp, or batch size) so having easy access to it isn't that critical. The other stuff at the bottom of the page is much more critical when building the recipe - is my OG close to where I want it? What about SRM? What are my IBUs? Is the ABV where I want it? This information being right at the top of the screen when inputting grains and hops would be nice since it is currently not visible without scrolling up and down numerous times to dial in the desired points.

    Thoughts?
     
  18. SABERG

    SABERG Grand Pooh-Bah (5,001) Sep 16, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Vikeman,
    Thank you for all your fine work, my beer is better because of it.
    Cheers
     
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  19. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    @VikeMan are you able to put hop extract in the hop drop down? I know I could add it myself I just don't know how to convert from mass to volume without density. Or do you know a work around of how to use it in the program? My hop extract has 61.1 AA
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are you using the CO2 extracted, not yet isomerized extract (a la Hop Shots)? I've heard the density is around 1.05 grams per milliliter, i.e. 0.03704 ounces by weight per milliliter. You could add it as a hop to the Hop Lookup Tab and specify 61.1% AA%. Maybe someone is more certain of the density, but either way, the model should work fine using weight (in ounces or grams, depending on your brewhouse settings) to compute.
     
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