Brewer Best ESB & Primary fermentation

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  1. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I brewed this on 6-15 and have had it in a "swamp cooler" set up which has kept the temps in the mid-ish 60s. Last night I thought that it was surely time to secondary. I hadn't seen any activity in the airlock, but I hadn't sat there and studied it either. So, I lifted the Better Bottle out of the water and sat it on a towel to dry. Almost immediately it started a meager bubble. I thought that this was because CO2 in the settled yeast layer had enough disturbance to come out, so I resisted the urge to rack and let it sit overnight, thinking that it would settle out and I could rack tonight. This morning though it was still bubbling maybe about 1 bubble every minute. Not a great amount of activity, mind you, but I thought that it is enough to let it sit and ask you fellows what you think. Let it sit some more? Go ahead and rack to secondary? I haven't taken a gravity reading.

    http://www.brewersbestkits.com/pdf/1017 2013 ESB Recipe.pdf
     
  2. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Looking at the directions for secondary fermentation, it looks like I can go ahead, but I'll hear any opinions/experiences.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If I were going to secondary, I would take a gravity reading to make sure it's at or close to FG before racking. But I wouldn't secondary an ESB. I'd make sure it has reached FG, give it a few more days, then taste and package.
     
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  4. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Ugh. I'm always torn as to what to do when directions and brewer opinions differ. :slight_smile: At least I can take a gravity reading and see where it's at, but since it's still bubbling a little I guess I can let it set a few more days? Why wouldn't you 2nd-ary an ESB?
     
  5. alanforbeer

    alanforbeer Crusader (455) Jan 29, 2011 South Carolina

    At this point, pulling it out of the swamp cooler and allowing it to warm a bit will be a good thing. The warmer temps will encourage the yeast to clean up after themselves.

    Please take VikeMan's advice and don't transfer to secondary.

    Just in case there is any confusion: airlock activity doesn't tell you anything about the status of the fermentation. Take gravity readings. Stable gravity over 4 or 5 days and you're good.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd say pay attention to brewers, which ever way you decide to go. Kit instructions generally suck.

    I wouldn't secondary because it doesn't need any special ingredients (like fruit, etc.) and because it doesn't need extended bulk aging (away from the trub).
     
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  7. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    "Brewer’s Best ® recommends home brewers employ the practice of a two-stage fermentation. This will allow your finished beer to have more clarity and an overall better, purer flavor."

    At one time this was the conventional wisdom.
    Nowadays...with plenty of evidence to the contrary...not so much.
     
  8. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    An increase in temperature could cause the bubbling as well, not just yeast farting CO2
     
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  9. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    I just remembered one thing I forgot to do was some Irish Moss in the boil. Oh well. Beer clarity isn't one of my goals just now. Good, drinkalble, yummy beer is. :slight_smile: As of this morning, it's still bubbling but it's less now. I guess on Sunday I can take a gravity sample and see where it is. I'm still not clear on just when everything is "finished" and I can rack. This beer will be the first that I keg as well, so I'm looking forward to that.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Assuming you mean racking to keg (and not secondary)... I'd take two gravity readings, three days apart. If they are the same (and close to what you expected), it's done. Give it a few more days to clean up (maybe until the next convenient day, like the weekend), and if there are no off-flavors, go ahead and keg.
     
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  11. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    "Off-flavors". What would you do if you found off-flavors in a beer that you thought was ready to rack? Leave it for X number of days more and hope they went away?
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Exactly. Diacetyl (butter) and Acetaldehyde (green apple) will be cleaned up by the yeast, given time. Not that your beer is necessarily likely to have either. Diacetyl production is somewhat yeast strain dependent...don't know what yeast your kit came with.
     
  13. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    In general...an Irish Moss addition is not recommended for worts made from extract(s).
     
  14. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    The beer has been doing its thing for two weeks now. The instructions say that when you have no bubbles for 48 hours that fermentation is complete and you should take a final gravity reading. I think have a bubble every two minutes I think so I'm not sure if I should take a gravity reading just yet.

    Taking gravity readings - how risky is this, apart from sanitation issues? What I'm getting at is air introduction. I have a CO2 tank if purging the headspace in my BB is worth doing.
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It might be a good time to check with a gravity reading, but bubble counts don't tell you when fermentation is done. Bad instructions.

    Up to you. Or you might wait a few more days. Either way, take another 2-3 days later.

    Exposing to O2 to take hydrometer readings is a necessary evil. But ideally you want to not poke around in your beer any more than needed.

    Your BB can't take the kind of pressure it would take to truly purge. If it makes you feel better, you can blow some CO2 in there anyway. If you do, try not to make waves on the surface of your beer, which would be counterproductive.
     
  16. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Yeah, I'm not trying put pressure into a BB, just "rinse" out any O2 out of the headspace. It has been suggested to me that using one of these carboy caps is a good way to go. Hook up a gas line on one end, let expelled gas out the other.
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    IMO, that would be more trouble than it's worth, and not terribly effective unless you want to use a lot of CO2. As an analogy, picture a bucket full of Raspberry koolaid. Now put a hose in the bucket and turn on the water. The bucket overflows at the same rate as water is being added. How long until all the color is gone?
     
  18. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Which leads me back to the question of how much air contamination "matters" when it comes to taking gravity samples and possibly introducing air. Do I need to get out all of that raspberry KoolAid or just enough that it doesn't matter? How much matters? I'm guessing that since you're in the regular habit of taking gravity samples and you have no hard answer on the air problem that you aren't worried about it and doing nothing?
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I purge my kegs before and after filling. I don't bother trying to flush carboys when taking gravity samples, because I don't think it would make much difference. How much "matters" is a hard question, but my beers don't seem to stale very quickly.
     
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