Breweries Closing

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Can_has_beer, Sep 13, 2013.

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  1. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    :wink:
     
  2. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Depends on the locale. Mediocre brewpubs fail quick because the restaurant business is hard. Mediocre breweries can last a while if there isnt a lot of better local beer. I havent seen a brewery local to me close since the 90s. A few brewpubs have come and gone.
     
  3. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Me engineer. Language hard.
     
  4. Jonnyoutlaw

    Jonnyoutlaw Initiate (0) Sep 12, 2013 Kentucky

    I think as far as breweries surviving due to lack of competition is true and I also think it is somewhat the consumers fault, obviously if all the brews in a locale are mediocre there is something wrong with the people running it and the people consuming it. The consumers and the brewmaster should want nothing more than to get the best and most out of their product. That being said I guess all consumers can't be to blame as they may not know any better, I know plenty of people who drink the standard watered down yuck simply because it is cheap and it's what they know and don't want to try anything else.

    As for any kind of bubble I doubt that is happening, hence Cincinnati having 3 new breweries opening up and doing rather well. I think again this has to do with the end product and getting the word out there.
     
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  5. SirBottlecap

    SirBottlecap Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2013 California

    There's one in Burlingame and one in Oregon, too.
     
  6. Can_has_beer

    Can_has_beer Initiate (0) May 14, 2013 Texas

    So, if I am understanding correctly, is the general consensus here that as more breweries open the weak in the herd will be eliminated?
     
  7. Jonnyoutlaw

    Jonnyoutlaw Initiate (0) Sep 12, 2013 Kentucky

    I think that is a good way of looking at it, the good part of more breweries is hopefully they will push each other and create new brews. Those that can't keep up will more than likely fail, but even when they close the doors that doesn't mean down the road they could be back again.
     
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  8. leedorham

    leedorham Initiate (0) Apr 27, 2006 Washington

    Well what will happen is that the best breweries will begin vanishing mysteriously and the government will subsidize the rest and ration brewing ingredients.

    Eventually we will find that all the best breweries have relocated to a secret place where all the beers are tasty, rare, and the trade values are all based on merit.

    Within a few years the mainstream brewing industry will collapse and all of the vanished breweries will return to repopulate the earth with rare beer.
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Bubbles are fairly rare. Boom and bust cycles are more common.

    In the 90's the growth went from a long period of >30% to a max of 50% annual growth, to a period of 0% to 3% growth over 7 years extending into the early 2000's. That resulted in the closure of many breweries. Some of the established ones with a good product line had large growth in the flat period, take Sierra Nevada as an example.

    In Michigan there is much room for growth as craft beer is below the national average, but the established breweries have installed, or are installing, a huge amount of capacity. It is going to be interesting to see how long things continue.
     
  10. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    You have just spelled out the definition of this place.
    http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/12365
     
  11. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    Any places that make good beer closing?
     
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  12. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    In other words, capitalism at work.
     
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  13. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

  14. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Got any stats on how many have opened?
     
  15. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Michigan Brewing Company. I liked their version of Celis White. I dont know about anything else they made.
     
  16. rlcoffey

    rlcoffey Savant (1,207) Apr 20, 2004 Kentucky

    Yep, I posted it in another thread earlier this week, but I can repeat.

    Range in last 5 years was 59-310 breweries opening and 49-99 brewpubs.

    Edit: details of last 10 years on page 3 of billionaire thread.
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    A brewery that also made Kid Rock's Bad Ass Beer. They made very good beer around 2000 when Dan Rogers was the brewer. He is now at Griffon Claw in Birmingham MI. He learned to make Celis White from Pierre Celis, so his Wit is excellent. It is a packaging brewery that has a 20,000 bbl a year footprint.
     
  18. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
    In Memoriam

    Bubble talk here, bubble talk there. Has me thinkin' of carbonation levels.
     
  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  20. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    I'm guessing that range per year over the time period specified.
     
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