Breweries "in-planning" around Texas

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  1. stephens101

    stephens101 Pooh-Bah (2,778) May 5, 2006 Oklahoma
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    I'm so ready for the Great Weeding Out Of 2016.
     
    #61 stephens101, Oct 14, 2014
  2. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    May I ask why this will happen? Texas is in the 40s in the category of breweries per capita (out of the 50 stats). The number of breweries opening will not improve that rating too much either.

    Sure, a brewery here and there may go under, but with the new brewing laws, I am guessing a lot of the new ones go the brewpub route to sell on site (like a bar) and then distribute to other bars. There is no reason that a certain number need to go under.

    It always amazes me how people say there will be a weeding out because more are coming to the market. Sure, there are more than there were before, but it is only like 7% of the population who drinks beer drinks craft beer. That demand of craft beers sold is likely to increase faster than the production of the breweries that are opening (especially in TX).

    Add to that that there are 30k some wineries in the US. And no one seems to be claiming there will be a weeding out of them anytime soon.

    With that said, I know a bunch on the list will not get financing. But, I am also betting that a lot fewer go under than you are assuming in 2016. Hell, I struggle to name a couple of breweries that have gone under in TX even though they make subpar beer in the last 5 years. The only place I can think of is Lovejoy's, but they were forced out of their space by the building and just never reopened...which had nothing to do with beer.

    (sorry for the rant, I just hate it when people say that)
     
    #62 aschwab, Oct 14, 2014
  3. stephens101

    stephens101 Pooh-Bah (2,778) May 5, 2006 Oklahoma
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    Just the nature of things I suppose. And it's not just a Texas thing, the explosion in Texas in just a part of the larger picture. We're already seeing a lot of mediocre to bad beer hitting the market because folks want to get in on the boom, rather than making something unique and timeless, which is what craft beer should be. For instance, I stopped by Craft & Growler about a month ago (what a cool place btw). It dawned on me how much the Texas craft scene has exploded over the past couple of years, and that excited me. That being said, some of the beer I tried just wasn't that great.

    Of course this is all just an opinion, so take it as such. If the U.S. or Texas, or whatever market it may be, can handle this kind of proliferation without losing its soul, then so be it. I've just never known that to happen, so I approach it all with a healthy amount of skepticism, and I foresee a reckoning. Perhaps I'm short-selling in a bull market, but thank goodness the only money on the line is a few bucks wasted on bad beer here and there right:slight_smile:
     
    #63 stephens101, Oct 14, 2014
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  4. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    I agree that there are some not as good breweries. But, it always amazes me that those breweries are not necessarily struggling. I just do not buy them...but a lot of other people do.

    To each their own. I think the difference between this market and others is the demand increases at a faster rate than most markets. But, I am not expert. I just see a lot of potential for it to expand before it hits that point.
     
    #64 aschwab, Oct 14, 2014
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  5. TexasBeerGuy

    TexasBeerGuy Initiate (0) Apr 30, 2013 Texas

    I could see how people expect the market to contract after it's blown up, but I also realize that for every BA there is probably hundreds, if not thousands, of other people who are into craft beer and will happily drink anything that's craft. I realize that might sound snobby, but I only mean that they enjoy it more casually so while some people will make repeated trips to specific breweries, others are completely content at others that are not the most highly rated. But sometimes craft beer feels like a fad too. That's only my visual observation, but I sure hope the growth continues. More options is a good thing.
     
    #65 TexasBeerGuy, Oct 15, 2014
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  6. Realbeerguy

    Realbeerguy Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2014 Oklahoma

    I have had the opportunity to sample some beers from the brewer of IronSight and think he is part owner somehow but his beers are pretty solid. I met him at a homebrewing party and we talked for a while, he told me that they will be doing a cream ale and white IPA at first then they will release a amber and oatmeal pale ale later next year with the whole line up in cans by the end of 2015. I tried the cream ale and it was pretty damn good! I really hope they make it to production
     
    #66 Realbeerguy, Oct 15, 2014
  7. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    It seems that Ironsight is definitely happening. They already have a building and applying for all the TABC licenses. It will be up in Cedar Park.
     
    #67 aschwab, Oct 15, 2014
  8. Realbeerguy

    Realbeerguy Initiate (0) Oct 15, 2014 Oklahoma

    Good that means I can stay north to visit a decent brewery.
     
    #68 Realbeerguy, Oct 15, 2014
  9. mph005

    mph005 Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Texas
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    #69 mph005, Oct 16, 2014
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  10. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    I have been looking forward to this one.
     
    #70 aschwab, Oct 16, 2014
  11. wtkphoto

    wtkphoto Savant (1,023) Apr 3, 2009 Michigan

    Good to see Waco getting a brewery. Don't live there anymore but it it's an insignificant speck in the craft beer world. One really good pub (Dancing Bear), a bottle shop that stayed open for less than a year, and less than 10 other places that served craft beer in a city with metro population of about 235,000. Scars & Stripes, one of the worst brewery names I've heard of, tried to open but after two failed Kickstarters along with a few other similar crowd funding failures with other companies. Their beer was downright awful so it made sense. Probably wouldn't have stayed open long if they did succeed. Waco has to be one of the biggest cities in the US without a brewery.
     
    #71 wtkphoto, Oct 16, 2014
  12. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    Border towns like Laredo and El Paso disagree (granted, El Paso is in the process of getting some).

    But yes, it is a good thing they are getting one. Hell, even Abilene has 2 production breweries and a brewpub.
     
    #72 aschwab, Oct 16, 2014
  13. Nightwish1094

    Nightwish1094 Initiate (0) Apr 24, 2010 Texas

    Whats the word on these guys. Are they brewing out of Adelberts? These beers sound great.
     
    #73 Nightwish1094, Oct 16, 2014
  14. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    So, this is what I know, and sorta know.

    I know they are using the Adelbert's brewery to make beer.

    I know they are doing all barrel fermented and barrel ageing there.

    I know they are using Adelberts TABC license for beer (like Naughty).

    What I sorta know is that it is the Adelberts brewers who are actually making it.

    What I don't know is if this is a side project of the Adelbert's brewers that is not officially affiliated with Adelberts (hence the different name) or if it is just what Adelberts is calling their barrel fermentation program.

    My guess is it is a side project that the brewers have going on where they are renting the tanks and space and doing this on their own time...so not officially through Adelberts. But that is just speculation.

    And they have their own facebook page and website:

    http://www.oddwoodales.com/home.html

    https://www.facebook.com/oddwoodales

    Neither of them mention adelberts. From their facebook page, it says:

    "Oddwood Ales is a small brewing project focused on creating unique American-style wild ales."....which is why I think it is a side project not officially Adelberts.
     
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  15. WTKeene

    WTKeene Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 New Mexico

    So last night I brought a growler of "A Nod to Wellington," Steam Theory's New Zealand Hopped Session Ale. On a night that included Blabaer 13, Side Project Blueberry Flanders, Krieky Bones, and Grey Monday 14, Steam Theory's beer was actually the highlight of the night.

    Get excited about this one.
     
    #75 WTKeene, Oct 16, 2014
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  16. bccocx

    bccocx Pooh-Bah (1,576) Jan 13, 2007 Texas
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    All the e-mail links on any of Oddwood stuff goes to [email protected]. Taylor is the head brewer for Adelbert's. I don't know what he looks like, but Scott (Adelbert's owner) doesn't seem to be in the Oddwood pictures on FB.
     
    #76 bccocx, Oct 16, 2014
  17. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    Someone told me on another site that the last they heard is it is a side project not associated with Adelbert's...but who knows.

    And they are having the event after Adelbert's normal taproom hours.
     
    #77 aschwab, Oct 16, 2014
  18. nathanmiller

    nathanmiller Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2009 New York

    I got interested, so I did some research.

    As the 197th biggest town in America, Waco is not the largest city without a brewery. It's not even close.

    @aschwab nailed the actual largest city without a brewpub, El Paso, the 19th largest city in America.

    Sadly, Texas dominates the list. In the top 200 cities in America, 24 don't have craft breweries, and of those 24, 13 are in Texas. Yes, we have a lot of big cities, but also, we are woefully behind in the craft beer world.

    The list (top 200 cities in the US):
    19 - El Paso, TX
    50 - Arlington, TX
    69 - Newark, NJ (unless you count the massive AB-InBev brewery there)
    70 - Plano, TX
    80 - Laredo, TX
    94 - Irving, TX
    96 - North Las Vegas, NV (apparently this is a different city than LV)
    119 - Augusta, GA
    122 - Mobile, AL (one's coming soon though, apparently)
    127 - Grand Prairie, TX
    131 - Brownsville, TX
    142 - Port St. Lucie, FL
    146 - Cape Coral, FL (one coming soon)
    150 - Pembroke Pines, FL
    158 - Springfield, MA (though, basically every suburb has at least one)
    159 - Pasadena, TX
    169 - Joliet, IL
    175 - Paterson, NJ
    178 - Mesquite, TX
    185 - Killeen, TX
    186 - Frisco, TX
    188 - McAllen, TX
    191 - West Valley City, UT
    194 - Sterling Heights, MI
    197 - Waco, TX
     
    #78 nathanmiller, Oct 17, 2014
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  19. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    Doing some research there (I got lazy after McCallen (pop was close enough to not count it)). Just stuck with El Paso.

    I had a hard time counting all the DFW suburbs, though.

    Either way, TX needs to pull their shit together. Breweries for every town.
     
    #79 aschwab, Oct 17, 2014
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  20. nathanmiller

    nathanmiller Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2009 New York

    Yeah I just went down the list of US Cities by Population on Wikipedia.
     
    #80 nathanmiller, Oct 17, 2014
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