Brewery Opened 2nd location

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  1. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Two Brothers Brewing from Warrenville, IL opened a location here in Scottsdale, AZ. This is a brewing and restaurant/pub facility. Is it possible to link the beers from the original brewery location for this new location so that all of the same established beers aren't added with new/fresh scores? Domaine DuPage is the same Dumain DuPage, for example. Please forgive if I'm mistaken, but I thought that the norm on BA is that the same beer from the same brewery will have just one score, rather than two separate scores for the identical beer that happens to be brewed in two different locations.

    Also, for brewery's brewpub locations, the beer scores figure into the average for that PLACE, right? That was the other reason why I thought to bring up that the place would already have some data for it because the very beers they make already have scores. Thank you

    Two Brothers Brewing (Warrenville)
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/689/

    Two Brothers TapHouse and Brewery (Scottsdale - new)
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/38714/
     
    #1 yemenmocha, Feb 3, 2015
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  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I don't know about figuring the average of the beers into each individual location's overall score, but for Arcadia Brewing, which has Battle Creek (original) and Kalamazoo locations, the same beers, ratings, reviews show up for each brewery location. The ratings and reviews for the brewery facility itself are specific to that location. Each brewery location does have a different score.
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/place/l...ng&city=&s_id=&c_id=&zip=&area=&submit=Search
     
    #2 PapaGoose03, Feb 3, 2015
  3. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    I don't know what the norm is. I expressed what I thought it was.

    When New Belgium opens their east coast location, does Fat Tire start over with a separate listing there? And then when people search for Fat Tire, does it show two results? I thought the answer to these was that there is only one score for a given beer EVEN IF they open two brewing facilities. And, the beer scores are figured into the PLACE score to a degree as well, which is a good move (if that is right).
     
    #3 yemenmocha, Feb 3, 2015
  4. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    This is definitely coming up more and more... I guess in the case that the beer is brewed at each location, in the past the beer has been added to each location (I do not know why this is the case historically). I also that when all beers are the same across the "chain" that there can be a master listing that has the beers.

    @Todd thoughts on this one? Do we need to update the report page for places to include something to notify that a master listing is needed?
     
    #4 dbrauneis, Feb 3, 2015
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  5. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    This is a similar problem for Sly Fox brewing.

    There is a production brewery that has a tasting room in Pottstown PA:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/10397/
    There is also the original brewpub location in Phoenixville PA:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1853/

    While I believe all the packaged beers are produced at the Pottstown location, the same beers are served at the Phoenixville location as well. But each location also has unique draft selections.

    So you end up with duplicate listings for a lot of their beers, like these two listings for Phoenix Pale Ale, one for each location:
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/1853/5996/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/10397/30452/
     
    #5 jmdrpi, Feb 3, 2015
  6. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    To complicate things, the core lineup is still temporarilybeing brewed in Warrenville and shipped here, but there are also beers to be brewed here.

    There is no 2nd Cane & Ebel beer. It is the exact same beer. It already has 1500 ratings. I'm fairly sure the beers should be transferred or linked or whatever (BA users should not be given a choice of two different Cane & Ebels to rate/review when they search for that beer).

    I had no idea there was controversy in this. I was just bringing it to attention so that the right thing was done. As of last time I looked, nobody added any beers to the new location. So there's no merging work to be done. Just whatever happens with loading that brewery's beers to their 2nd location so we don't have duplicate ratings for beers
     
    #6 yemenmocha, Feb 4, 2015
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It wouldn't be a bad idea, however, I'm guessing that most people don't know what a master listing is.
     
    #7 Todd, Feb 4, 2015
  8. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Another item for the Places FAQ?
     
    #8 dbrauneis, Feb 4, 2015
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    But such a master listing can sometimes be quite helpful to the non-local person or the casual user, etc.

    Here is one that puts all beers from 8 different locations together into a single list and also shows that master list when a particular location is selected.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/6045/

    While not all locations have all of the listed beers at any given time, all are available at one place or another. This would work well for the Sly Fox situation mentiond by @jmdrpi and be, I think, less confusing to someone who wants to enter a beer review as it makes plain there are multiple locations.

    The only thing seems it might be confusing is that not all beers are available at every location. They have a standard line of beers and then the brewmaster at each location is given the freedom to do beers that are only in-house. But it seems to solve the problem of the same beer but different location and by eliminating multiple listings of the same beer.
     
    #9 drtth, Feb 6, 2015
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