Brewery Pet Peeves (2023)

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  1. EddieDog

    EddieDog Devotee (321) Jun 25, 2020 New York
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    Children at Breweries should be treated like the crumbled candy bar they throw on the ground. DISGRACEFUL I SAY!!!! I shall endeavor from now to not only SMITE, but to show my distastes for "families" by attacking them with my well-trained group of hamsters. OH THE VENGENCE THAT WILL TASTE LIKE SWEET LAGER!!! This is warning. I'm calling the ghostbusters and we are rolling out son!
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    I'll go to my grave thinking that way. (Maybe also of something else :astonished: You know, depending on the particular circumstances).
     
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  3. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I can kind of understand the dislike of the memberships (although really, if the club is hard to get into it indicates that the beer would be very hard to obtain anyhow and a club is a fine way to allocate your rare and highly sought after beer to your most dedicated fans) but I can't say I understand this thought at all? Distribution is business decision, it comes with costs and risks that need to be balanced against its potential benefits.

    I have a lot more respect for breweries that are very strict and careful with their distribution than I do for breweries that seem most interested in flooding their product into the market with no regard for how long it sits.
     
  4. dennisthreeninefiveone

    dennisthreeninefiveone Pundit (980) Aug 11, 2020 New Jersey
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    Would you sell beer at a wholesale price to a distributor if you could sell all your beer at a retail price at the brewery?
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Agreed. Quick story.

    There's a restaurant on the Mendocino coast that my wife and I quite like. We always stop by their bar area for a snack and a drink (nice selection of wine and they always have Pliny on tap), whenever we're down visiting from PDX. Anyway, they're one of those places that automatically adds an 18% tip to your bill (but of course still leaves a spot on your credit card invoice for an additional tip), but then also charges sales tax on that tip amount. I had never seen that before, and so the last time we visited I asked about it. The bartender/waitress told us that the state of California requires that.they assess sales tax if a restaurant automatically includes a tip as part of the restaurant bill.

    At least to me, it sounds like the state is aware this is a bullshit move on the part of the restaurant, in order to increase the cost of food/drink, and that it likely doesn't represent a tip at all. Pretty sleazy I think, but my wife really likes the place, so we'll probably continue to go back there.
     
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  6. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    The topic I'm getting at is the exclusivity part...if my soul purpose was to make money the answer would obviously be no.

    If my purpose was to make good beer for the masses to have and enjoy, while I still probably made plenty of $, then of course I would. ***as a plus it saves a whole lot of gas and driving for anyone that would've otherwise had to drive to me.

    I guess I never realized it but "come to us to get it" breweries may be a pet peeve I never realized I had until now or maybe I just made it one...:thinking_face:
     
  7. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    One man's pet peeve is another's "what the hell is this guy think?" :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  8. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    I can definitely understand why it would be a pet peeve, I'm annoyed that a number of breweries don't distribute to my area. I just meant to distinguish between the creation of exclusivity via a pay to play club and the arising of exclusivity out of the choice not to distribute.

    Taking TH as the example, my understanding is that they have consistently worked to make their beer more available over the years. They just haven't engaged the distribution system (which is notoriously rough on beer in terms of temp control and timely placement) to spread their beer wide.
     
  9. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    I have the opposite reaction. I'm finished with tasting it all. I want to see a couple of beers, and beer styles, that I'm likely to appreciate.
     
  10. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    it’s funny cause it’s not the I wish I had access to these “come to us breweries” that pet peeves me…for the bigger ones, that have the means to, it’s the idea that we have the means to make our beer accessible but we aren’t, drive all your cars to us. For whatever reason that may be, and I’m guessing the reason you stated above could be part of it in many cases.
     
  11. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    If you look at distributor websites, you already see a mind boggling variety. When they take on a brand, there is a good chance it won't sell, even if they are able to get a few retailers to stock it.
     
  12. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    But then wouldn't you encounter that at other places as well? Maybe I'm having a Whoosh moment, but if it were an edict handed down by the state, wouldn't it be more common?
     
  13. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I suppose you have a point, but it still feels very different. Having a brewery where people can hang out contributes to the communal culture that I love about beer and upon which I think beer is built. Anything for “VIPs” or “members only” just stinks of elitism, which goes against that vibe. But I get that I may have a double-standard here.
     
  14. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    It's only an edict by the state if it's automatically included (but still itemized) on your restaurant bill. Or so I was told. Every place else we went to in Mendocino, you get your restaurant or bar bill with an option to tip if you wanted to. That portion is post sales tax and not subject to further sales tax.

    Does that make sense? It might be me that's having the whoosh moment (I seem to be having a lot of those of late).
     
  15. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    If there is added cost for such a membership without much in return I see what you’re getting at too.
     
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  16. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Oh, I thought of another one. Not updating the tap list on their website/social media. I get something might kick during the course of the day, but I don’t get what’s so hard about having one person updating the tap list every 24 hours. Seems like a small task. But I’m not in the business, so maybe it’s complicated. All I know is the folks at the scurvy dog in providence are able to update their’s every day. If the scurvy staff can do this, I see no reason why actual brewers can’t.
     
  17. moodenba

    moodenba Pooh-Bah (2,502) Feb 2, 2015 New York
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    18 pct added is a required service charge, not a tip. The owners might be sloppy in characterizing the amount, but the charge must be disclosed when ordering, best on the menu.
     
  18. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Yeah I'm not surprised at all by any brewer who doesn't want to wade into the sea of options on store shelves
     
  19. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Grand Pooh-Bah (5,247) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois
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    I understand the angst regarding breweries that limit or do not offer distribution, but understand and accept that is their best business plan and don't hold it against them. The Alchemist, Lawson's, Fiddlehead, and perhaps Hill Farmstead are the four we don't get, not even for Chicago festivals, that I would like to try at some point.

    Alchemist has dropped in Wisconsin, and drives straight below Chicago in route to their regular drops in Denver. Then again like most Illinois laws, beer distribution laws here are onerous for breweries to enter our state, and they face fierce competition when they do arrive. Hope one day Alchemist and the others mentioned above do drop here and/or provide a few offerings at a future beer festival. I do plan to return to the northeast and finally hit these breweries (sadly visited these states a few times before I was into craft beer) after I also feel comfortable also return to Quebec, Canada for at least a few days.

    I do agree with the aversion of member/subscription only or app only (oznr) releases, and there are a few breweries I stay away from such as Toppling Goliath (KBBS) or Anchorage Brewing (Tavour) with their very high price points and or scalping beers themselves onsite. That said, I prefer the breweries keep the excess money over beer scalpers / "traders".
     
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  20. mvogt

    mvogt Pundit (759) Sep 10, 2021 Massachusetts

    I didn't have to reserve a drinking time when I went to Tewksbury at the end of January.
     
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