Brewery: "We do not serve fascists."

It’s certainly not the best strategy for making money, but maybe they have higher values.

 

Wow! What happened to the agree to disagree concept?

I definitely would not want to be treated that way for I choice I have the privilege (here in free America) to choose.

 

I mean it is pretty telling that he still received millions of votes after the despicable behavior the last 4 years - republicans have no problem with his racism.

 

So, you are against the Civil Rights Act of 1964? But if you support a business's "right to deny service" regardless of Federal law, then why did you title the thread "Brewery Denies Service"?

Is this literal? You have to be "invited" to this brewery? You can't just show up and be served? Many decades ago I would be "proofed" before entering a bar or buying at a liquor store (Hell, Wegmans still does it) but my driver's license was good enough - they never asked me to see my Red Card or anything. I got a "I VOTED" sticker AND a postcard from the county thanking me for voting, but neither mention for whom.

You seem to hold a brewery to higher standards than the President of the United States...

 

There are plenty of other breweries out there that don’t discriminate based on political affiliation. I’d take my business elsewhere and not look back.

 

100%!! That is the problem today. People can’t have a difference opinion.

 

I would counter that reducing the choice of Trump vs Biden to a mere "political disagreement" is a vast and dangerous oversimplification. Political disagreements arise from fact-based, good-faith arguments over how best to govern. The case for or against Donald Trump is as rooted in morality as it is in politics, and goes far beyond some esoteric questions of tax policy..

 

The “F**k your feelings” crowd sure does get offended easily

 

Business is business and money is important to keep our business alive. That being said, totally cool with losing a few bucks of bottom line so as to keep racists, fascists, Trump apologists, white supremacists, and gun “enthusiasts” that are totally cool with weapons that spray bullets into first grade classrooms out of my brewery.

In the end, I’d feel like I’d get more visitors from the other side of the aisle if they noticed less No More Bullshit flags in my parking lot.

 

How would they know ones political leanings? Do you have to pass a test in order to get a beer? If someone is proud to be a Proud Boy, why would they want to support a business owned by P.C Libtards?

 

So half of the voters in America are fascist? How I vote is not his concern, and he just potentially eliminated half his business. A really smart business decision right there, the only problem here is him, and I wouldn't spend a penny there. If the situation was reversed and liberals were being excluded as commies, and we’re not welcome I’d feel the same way, so he can stuff it. You can be Republican and not be a Nazi, you can be a Democrat and not be a communist. So stupid in a word full of competition and choices to label anyone.

 

It got drowned out by the "LOCK HER UP" chant.

Probably not all of them - but they just voted for one.

(It's also not half, "just" 47.8% - at this time).

 

It just isn't that simple anymore. Romney, McCain, Dubya, voters don't terrify me.

 

it will be ok.

 

If someone says “I don’t serve fascists,” and your first reaction is to think, “Hey, I resemble that remark,” your problems extend well beyond beer options.

 

Aside from the practical difficulty in enforcing this policy (with the exception of customers wearing MAGA hats etc.), it seems the brewery wants to make a clear statement and maybe encourage people to think a little bit about how they’ve voted and why. Trump’s statements about election results tonight, on election night, and during the campaign certainly support the idea that’s he’s an authoritarian if not a fascist—let alone all his other abhorrent policies, actions, words, and deeds over the last 4 years and beyond. To continue to support him is to tacitly condone this behavior, which is a choice people are free to make. But guess what? Decisions have consequences.

To me this is different from discrimination based on race, gender, etc. because it’s about a choice you’ve made and not who you are. I’m no civil rights lawyer but I think the brewery is within its rights here—just as a business can decline service to customers who choose not to wear a shirt or shoes (or, these days, a mask). Just as with the election, customers can vote with their dollars if they have a problem with this. Honestly, I don’t.

 

Sounds as if the brewery stepped into a place that could cost them, but it's their place , so *shrug*.
Short of walking in wearing a swastika, an homage to Mussolini, or similar , who's gonna know?
Seems like a whole lotta nothin'.
If it comes up (generally goes against the usual bar protocol, but hey - who am I to knock ...innovation? ) , show them the graph below.
& maybe suggest they listen to Dr Richard Wolff &/or Caitlin Johnstone (Real lefty's lefties) &/or Dylan Ratigan explain the votes (of others, not themselves) . No way in this universe they can be dismissed as "fascist".

I think the T-man is awful, & not a real answer, but I understand the vote. Most of the people I know voted that way in '16, but only one liked him & supported him.Just a gamble(as most said), & their best strategic guess.

Orrrrr.... don't worry about it (=OtherPeople'sProblems) , relax, & have a beer.

 

Everything else aside, I kind of appreciate the balls it takes to potentially turn away business. I'm not going to take a stance on their obvious politics, but I like the "oh, fuck it" attitude.

 

Foibles huh? Undermining faith in the vote? Inciting violence? Amplifying crazy conspiracies? Foibles? Yeah I don't want to have a beer with you.

 

These folks at the Referend Bier Blendery wouldn't now a fascist if they tripped and fell and landed on Mussolini.

 

I would I love to order a few rounds of beers then put a MAGA hat on when I get the bill.

 

Well, you’re allowed to tell us all about it as long as BA chooses to allow you to do so. This site also is a private business and can choose what kind of expression it allows in its forums.

As for my characterization, I think the overwhelming preponderance of facts and evidence unambiguously supports it. And you’d have to live in an alternate universe and/or deny reality itself to suggest it’s an unreasonable position to take.

 

Wait. What was the original title? Damnit. Now I need to know why it was misleading.

 

And, I always like to remind you and your and your 69 million buddies, that around 3 million more people voted for "HER" in '16, than did 45. He's never been the choice of a majority of people. How you like being a minority?

 

Thanks man. I totally needed that.

 

this is going to be such a fun thread until it needs to be shut down.
Like I said before, I won't get into politics here, but, damn, I love it when anyone just blindly throws a middle finger up to anyone else. I don't care if it's to the president, me, or anyone else. But to be clear, if it's towards my family, I'll throw down. Otherwise, go for it.

 

How many fascists in NJ are drinking Spon beers?