Brewing a Rye Beer?

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  1. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    This is not a style I've tried to brew yet, but I do love most all rye beers I've tried. I love the spiciness!

    Youz mugs can help me develop a recipe, then I'll brew it.

    I know this... I want plenty of spicy rye flavor. It could be anything from a rye IPA to a rye pale ale to a crazy chardonnay barrel aged rye boysenberry oyster stout* to Boulevard rye-on-rye (I'm going to drink/review that one tomorrow, never tried it yet).

    I need base malts, amounts and types of rye malt, specialty malts, hops, and any particular process notes (including temperatures, times etc).

    Hops wise I'm going to have these to choose from:

    Belma
    Cascade
    Willamette
    Cluster
    Bravo
    Serebrianka
    Millenium
    Magnum
    Super Galena
    Tettnanger
    Fuggles

    Maybe 10-11 lbs base malt to start. ABV 6.0-7.5%. Spicy factor: high. Bitterness level: 35-75 IBUs. Color: negotiable.

    Do tell!

    *:rolling_eyes:
     
  2. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I brew a simple Cascade Rye pale that goes over very well. These aren't the exact amounts because I don't have Promash on my office computer but here's an approximation.
    9 pounds 2 row pale
    3 pounds rye
    1/2 pound crystal 60
    Mash at 152 or lower for good fermentability
    1.5 oz Cascade(around 6% AA) at 60 min
    1 oz Cascade at 20,10, 5 and flameout
    Safale 05 or Nottingham(I like Nottingham at 60F ferm temp, 05 if warmer)
     
  3. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    That looks good, let's start with this for a recipe. I have tons of cascade, and I love it. I think it would go well in a rye beer too. I've been keeping the fermenting freezer at 64 so I'll use US-05. Obviously need some rice hulls, right? How much?

    I'll plug this into beersmith shortly and see what it says I'll get...
     
  4. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Some rice hulls could be a nice precaution. Rye can be sticky like wheat. As for the amount of rye, our Juniper Rye Ale was at 5 lbs (for 10 gallons) and I fill it shone well enough (with less percent of base malt though). I agree and think 2.5-3 lbs is a good place per 5 gallons.
     
  5. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    I don't use rice hulls unless I have sparge issues, and somehow my sparge seems to go better with rye than without.
    64 ambient will give you around 70 internal at peak fermentation -I use a thermowell for my temp probe to keep my fermentations as cool as I want.
     
  6. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Yea, to tell you the truth, I think we forgot to buy them for Juniper Rye and it sparged fine. Have used them in the past with a Pumpkin Rye. Only using around .5 lb for 10 gallons, which is probably low by some people's standards. What do they say, it really only starts getting problematic with rye or wheat when you are using over 25-30%?
     
  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    Several brewers I've talked to have mentioned 18-20% as their cutoffs when rye gets very sticky. A friend does a great rye barleywine with 35% rye and has to do a beta glucanase rest to prevent his mash from becoming a brick. I'm doing a big imperial red with rye tomorrow (25% rye, 1.090 OG) and will be throwing in some hulls and doing a beta glucanase rest before ramping up to saccharification and an eventual mash out.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In my experience, rye malt sticks more than wheat malt . And I had one batch turn inro a brick with < 20% rye malt. YMMV.
     
  9. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I could theoretically turn the controller down a little. If necessary. Everything's been coming out well, and in decent time, at 64 but I'm not that attached to that number.

    For the recipe above (with 1.0 lbs rice hulls) I get

    1.062 OG
    63.1 IBUs
    8.4 SRM
    6.5% ABV

    Which seems like a kinda rye-IPA-ish type of beer.

    EDITED to 1 lb rice hulls
     
  10. hopsandmalt

    hopsandmalt Initiate (0) Dec 14, 2006 Michigan

    I Think for the high level of rye derived spicyness you are looking for I would go with a higher percentage of rye. Maybe 35-40%. Just use a ton of rice hulls and if you are still scared of a stuck run-off you could do a BG rest. I have brewed a 50/50 rye/pale malt apa with 20# total grain and 5# of rice hulls. It was touch and go during the sparge but it never stuck and the beer was the cat's meow.
     
  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Let me re-do it with more rye...

    8 lbs 2-row
    4 lbs rye malt
    0.5 lbs C-60
    2 lbs rice hulls

    same hops schedule

    numbers didn't change enough to re-type them.

    I could crank up the rye even more... maybe 5 lbs?
     
  12. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    and mind you, I batch sparge. If anyone else is messing with this on beersmith I used "single infusion, medium body, batch sparge" with a cooler and pot 5g/19L. This brings up the 5 gallon igloo I use for mashing, but obviously my pot is considerably bigger (I can boil about 7 gallons if I pay attention). [actually it does say that in beersmith, pot should be 7-9 gallons]

    I actually have a bigger pot now too, but I haven't needed it yet. I got another turkey fryer from a buddy, and old one, bigger, that has about a nine gallon pot and a heavier base. Despite the rust on the base, it's still solid and still works perfectly.
     
  13. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    That looks great to me. My daughter asked me to brew mine again so I may be brewing basically the same beer next week. My personal opinion, based on nothing I've ever read or heard, is that it is a pale ale until I dry hop it, then it becomes an IPA.
     
  14. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I wasn't going to dry hop it either. I think I will brew it next tho. I'm going to order this one and SgtStogie's caramelized SMaSH beer for my next two batches. I'd like to brew friday or saturday but I think I will be working this week, might have to wait till next week.

    I'm also waiting on the results from blonde ale III (in bottles now) so I can start to formulate blonde ale IV and keep working on the house ale. I've been brewing these blonde ales for my lighter beer style loving bro/friends, but I'm brewing this rye beer for myself. They can either fall in line, or I'll just have to drink them all. :grinning:

    I also have tons of cascade now, so I need an excuse to use some of it (at least break open a pound!). :sunglasses:

    BTW I'm having the Boulevard Rye-on-Rye right now. WOW! 12%... I might have waited till this evening had I bothered to check the ABV before opening it up! It's quite good tho, very tasty. Reminds me of BBQ.
     
  15. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Good info on here. I'm at work, and thinking about heading to the store to get my grains for perhaps a double batch weekend coming up. Needed to go now to get my juices flowing and my stir plate going now to ramp up the yeast.

    Anyways- I was thinking of taking a recipe I really actually like quite a bit, and thought it was great as is, but adding some rye to give it another level of spice to it. The beer was an IPA I came up with, used Galaxy, Belma and Cascade in it.

    11 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 86.3 %
    12.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 2 5.9 %
    8.0 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 3 3.9 %
    8.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 4 3.9 %

    I'm thinking that something like 1.5# of Rye to it would be ideal.... no?
     
  16. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I say go for it. I would think that rye will complement cascade nicely, otherwise I wouldn't be using just cascade in my own version! While drinking this Rye-on-Rye, I'm remembering my belma IPA, and thinking that wouldn't be a bad mix either. I'm not familiar with galaxy yet (unless there's a commercial example that I've had?). But screw it, I say add (or sub) some rye and experiment it up.

    I try to post results of everything I write about on these forums when the beers come out. Post your results too! These threads are immensely helpful if you ask me!

    Maybe sub out some 2-row for 2-3 lbs of rye, and add some rice hulls?
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I don't know how much rye I really want. I like the subtle spice, but don't want to drown it all out..

    I'm thinking like... 10% or less right now of the whole grist.

    Or, I could say piss on it.. and do a Rye Saison..

    Pilsner Malt
    White wheat malt
    Rye malt

    and hit it with some Belma and Amarillo, and some 3711.
     
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  18. RichardMNixon

    RichardMNixon Maven (1,431) Jun 24, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Based on a recipe in Sam Caligione's book, I use 1 lb flaked rye, 0.5 lb Munich malt, and the balance 2-row; a koelsch-style yeast; then I dry hop it with peppercorns.
     
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  19. Gotti311

    Gotti311 Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2009 Wisconsin
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    We recently brewed a rye ipa and went around 30% with the rye. I want it to really stand out. I am a tad worried it is going to compete with our aggressive 66ibu, but we will be finding out in a few weeks.

    LOTS OF RICE HULLS!
     
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  20. ncaudle

    ncaudle Initiate (0) May 28, 2010 Virginia

    I use rye in most of my brews from saisons, to pales, to dipas to stouts.
    one of my most well received was a rye pale using 50% rye and 50% marris otter with centennial and amarillo hops.

    knock on wood, no stuck sparge issues here...
     
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