Brewing Activities (2021)

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by wasatchback, Jan 1, 2021.

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  1. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Hey, y'all. Been a while.

    Recently I:

    1. Brewed an all-Mosaic pale ale. 4.9%, beautifully crisp and clean.
    2. Brewed another hazy IPA that came out oddly bitter for a supposed 32 IBU, so I reformulated (lowered the WP amount, lowered the WP temp, upped the DH) and brewed yet another attempt. This one finished at 1.006 despite using S-04 and mashing at 156. Go figure. Tastes better bitterness-wise, though.
     
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  2. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    lol and today I'm sampling the previous one and finding that a) it's dropped clear and b) it's actually pretty fine as a WCIPA.
     
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  3. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    1.006... sounds like a case of the creep
     
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  4. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    First DH (60g in a 3.5 gal batch) was at 24 hours post-pitch and things were already chugging. First reading was at 48 hours and it was already at 1.009. Got down to 1.006 (and apparently done) at 84 hours. Added the second, larger DH (150g) after soft crashing to ~55F and haven't done another gravity check. Just put it in the keezer and will give it a week to carb and condition before trying it.

    The 1.006 sample tasted good and surprisingly balanced, but I guess Janish said he tested some Tired Hands and got similar FGs, so who knows.
     
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  5. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    If you’re adding the enzyme laden hops at ferm temps doesn’t really matter when you add them. Those enzymes will break down sugars and you’ll get additional attenuation, adding them early just speeds up the process. Supposedly if you like to do low temp whirlpools at temps where the enzymes don’t denature you can even get hop induced additional attenuation from “hotside” additions.

    Plenty of Trillium beers measure that low as well.
     
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  6. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    In this context, what temperature (range) would be considered a low temp whirlpool?
    IIRC from a prior discussion about “creep”, Citra was a culprit it under certain conditions. Are there other hop varieties that are more prone than others to promote conversion? And, conversely, are there varieties that won’t creep?

    A better question might be:
    What is the enzyme, and are hops producers testing for it and making reports available?
     
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  7. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    Correcting my previous post about insinuating Citra was particularly efficient. From https://www.sea-brew.com/post/hop-creep-the-over-attenuation-experienced-when-dry-hopping:
    "...the varietal trials showed differences amongst the varieties tested. Amarillo® and Cascade had the greatest change in alcohol and gravity (highest enzyme activity), followed by Simcoe®, Centennial and Citra®, which had the lowest. They explained that this could be a varietal attribute and/or an agronomic, postharvest or processing factor."
     
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  8. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Yeah unfortunately it can change by crop year, by lot, by farm, really it’s all over the place.

    I’ve never experienced bad creep from Citra. For me Mosaic, Amarillo, Centennial, some cascade, and El Dorado have been pretty creepy. I tend to dry hop at 55-58 after removing as much yeast as I can but sometimes that doesn’t even work.

    I’m not sure what temp the enzymes denature honestly. I can’t remember what temps hops are kilned at now. Creep didn’t use to be as big of an issue when kiln temps we’re higher (I think 140 but could be wrong).
     
  9. drewmuni

    drewmuni Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2019 California
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    Assuming YVH? All the SA hops have been quite disappointing to be honest. The ones I've tried (including Passion), have all been straight dirt and grass.
     
  10. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Actually no ZAhops.com. They’re an importer of Slovenian and South African hops based in CO.

    I bought a bunch of crop year 2020 from them and they are better than any of the previous two years of SA hops I’ve bought. SA has insanely bad drought for a long time. Maybe 4-5 years. 2020 was the first year in a long time that the hops weren’t adversely affected by the drought. They do smell much much better out of the bag but still aren’t as punchy as I think they could be. The elixir was just really eye opening.
     
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  11. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Really good info, thanks. I did WP at 155-160, so that could definitely have been a factor.
     
  12. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    155/160 should denature. I think it’s below 140 that might not. I was more referring to that early DH you did.
     
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  13. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Just got some Elixir because the description sounded really interesting. Keep us informed if they deliver.
     
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  14. deadwolfbones

    deadwolfbones Pundit (795) Jun 21, 2014 Oregon

    Ah, got it. Thank you.
     
  15. skleice

    skleice Maven (1,271) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    Tonight, I'm closed transferring a Black IIPA & Citra/Mosaic NEIPA to serving kegs. This weekend, I'm brewing up my first lager fermented with 34/70 at traditional temps/time. Also, will be brewing another iteration of my amber ale.
     
  16. Jasonja1474

    Jasonja1474 Savant (1,100) Oct 15, 2018 Tennessee
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    This sounds like my kinda taproom!
     
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  17. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    brewed the smoked magik yesterday. a smoked imperial stout
     
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  18. Merlyn

    Merlyn Aspirant (261) Jan 17, 2021 Michigan

    thank you!
     
  19. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I'm planning on using smoked malt in the near future and am interested in your particulars.
    Smoke your own or commercially smoked?
    Percentage smoked malt (or lbs/5-gallon batch)?
    Is this an in-your-face smoked beer like Schlenkerla, or just a whiff of smoke like a distant campfire.

    I haven't used smoked malt so any info will be appreciated.
     
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  20. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I have used both home smacked and commercially made. These days I use the German company weyermans smoked malfunction that's for sale on morebeer.
    For this beer its 2 lb.total grain bill is 18.5 so u do the percentage.
    Settled on 2 after numerous attemps with 1 lb then a bit more as time and batches went on.

    This beer is not I. Your face smoky. You can taste it for sure and, I. Believe the half pound of black patent helps push the smokyness a bit but that's opinion only.

    Smoking yer own malt is easy and fun, I just seem to run out of time lately, so I buy a 5 lb bag and call it good.

    There are Brewers here that smoke their own malt. Where the Hell are they know?????
     
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