Brewing an extract IPA tomorrow

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  1. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    This is the APA IPA (averagely perfect American IPA) project recipe. The hops schedule is somewhat typical of an IPA. If you really want that bold, in your face hops flavor and aroma, think more along these lines for IPAs.

    60 minutes - [magnum]* to bring IBUs to around 65
    15 minutes – Simcoe 0.5 oz, Centennial 0.5 oz, Cascade 0.5 oz
    10 minutes – Simcoe 0.5 oz, Centennial 0.5 oz, Cascade 0.5 oz
    5 minutes – Simcoe 0.75 oz, Centennial 0.5 oz, Cascade 0.5 oz

    FO/Whirlpool/Stand – Simcoe 1.0 oz, Centennial 0.75 oz, Cascade 0.75 oz
    Dry Hop – 1 oz Simcoe, 1 oz Centennial, 1 oz Cascade


    BTW cascade and willamette go great together, definitely keep that combo intact. Centennial should also work well with those hops.

    *I used bravo because I didn't have magnum at the time. It was such a small amount as to be pretty insignificant
     
  2. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey


    There are a lot of ways to do this I see. Are you suggesting that 4 oz of hops is too little?
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hops should be vacuum sealed and frozen. Or nitrogen flushed, sealed, and refrigerated/frozen. Just putting them in an airtight container without removing the air won't do the trick.
     
  4. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    This is more APA territory than IPA territory. Here's a sample schedule I might use if I were you:

    60 min - up to 1 oz magnum, warrior, bravo, or some high AA hop for bittering, adjusted to give you the desired level of bitterness. gives you the bulk of your IBUs. I think around 70 total IBUs is pretty good for your base malt profile, but that might be debatable. You've got a pretty heavy amount of LME tho, with an OG of probably around 1.070. Don't skimp on the hops, and don't let the IBUs be too low, or you'll be out of balance.

    15 minutes - 0.5 oz each cascade and willamette
    10 minutes - 0.5 oz each cascade, willamette, centennial
    5 minutes - 0.5 oz each cascade, willamette, centennial
    FO - 1 oz each cascade, willamette, centennial -OR- 2 oz cascade, 1 oz willamette (for more cascade goodness)

    dry hop - 1 oz each cascade, willamette, centennial
     
  5. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey


    I'm counting 10.25oz of hops here. I'm way off having just 4oz then.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Are you suggesting that 4 oz of hops is too little?” I personally do not think that 4 ounces are too little. I have made some very tasty IPAs using 4 ounces of hops; for example:

    · 1 ounce of Warrior for bittering (60 minutes of boil)

    · 1 ounce for flavor (15 minutes of boil)

    · 1 ounce for aroma (end of boil)

    · 1 ounce for dry hopping

    Feel free to use more or stick with your 4 ounces. It really comes down to how hoppy (from a bittering, flavor and aroma perspective) you want your IPA to be.

    Cheers!
     
  7. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    After your investment in a mash tun (I built my own on the cheap) it will save you a lot of money over time. Extracts are expensive and give you less control over your final product. They are a great way to start off as most of us do, but IMO all grain brewing produces better results and enables you to get closer to what you are looking for when you design a recipe. Great beers can be made with extract, dont get me wrong, but I believe that once you are familiar with the brewing process that all grain is the way to go.
     
  8. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    No man, you're not. Like Jack points out above it is very possible to make a perfectly tasty IPA (57 IBUs is solidly in the middle of the style guidelines, upper end actually) with 4 oz of hops.
    American beer drinkers and homebrewers will always tell you that more is better when it comes to hops, and will try to lead you to make what they like. Very rarely will you get an honest assessment of what you're planning that does not include "more hops".
    Make this beer like you have planned and see how it goes.
     
  9. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    So you are saying he doesnt need more Citra??? :sunglasses:
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Having brewed the APA IPA, I can tell you it's pretty solid and very hop forward, but certainly not insanely hoppy by today's standards. I can also tell you that I have medaled with an American IPA with just 6 ounces of total hops in 5.1 gallons. It's a broad style. Maybe a way to get good advice on that would be to give an example or two of commerciall IPAs you like.
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yes.

    You have a pinch over 2 ounces total for your boil, no including bittering. 2 ounces TOTAL of 3 different varieties, and then less than 1 ounce total in a dry hop.

    So yes, your amount of hops are too little for an IPA. Chances are you beer won't get very dry, and you'll be left with a sweeter tasting beer that out does our hop schedule.

    There are plenty of ways to do it, but I personally think you are short on the green stuff all the way around.

    I have made smaller IPA's, with 4-5 ounces of hops that came out great. You don't have to pile it on.

    However, your current recipe, I think will fall short of an IPA in terms of hoppiness due to the small and strange 1/5 and 1/3 pinches here and there. You'll be dropping 2-4 pellets at a time of each one in the boil at that rate.
     
  12. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    I'd get rid of the 10 and 5 min additions and put them all in at flameout, then do a 30 min hopstand.
     
  13. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Well, go figure I screwed up. When it was all said and done, I'm working with about 7 gal starting, which is about a gal more than I planned on. Of course because I tried the small mash for the grains I wasn't thinking and just poured it in rather than reducing the starting boil enough first. I kind of added about 3 ounces of LDME (happened to have it) to make up for it. I don't however, have any more Centennial, Cascade or Willamette hops remaining. I do have some Galena though.

    So far I did:
    1.33oz Centennial at 60min
    I plan on adding:
    10 min .33oz Centennial, .33oz Cascade, .33oz Willamette
    5min .33oz Centennial, .33oz Cascade, .33oz Willamette
    FO .33oz Cascade, .33oz Willamette

    I'll consider doing some of the dry hopping as well. So far, if my batch size was correct I would have an IBU of 63.4 according to BeerSmith. I was considering helping my problem by adding a little Galena as well but not sure and I'm running outa time.

    Again, I appreciate all the help you guys have been giving.
     
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You should be fine. It'll be beer!

    What does Beersmith say your BU:GU ratio is?
     
  15. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Not quite sure where BU:GU ratio is on the program. If it's where it shows IBU/SG Bitterness ratio then it's .967. BUT, I didn't account for the extra volume on the program either. But you're right. It'll be beer for sure. Live and learn.
     
  16. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    I'm actually thinking about doing a pumpkin ale next but that'll be a different thread of course.
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Thats it.. Looks good for an IPA in terms of enough bitterness. I think over .800 is plenty fine enough for a balanced IPA. I've done 'em from .8 to a recent Black IPA that is at 1.28.

    If your volume is too high and your boiling now, just boil longer before adding your last additions.. Would give you a few more IBU's anyways if you did say.. a 90 min boil if you are worried about too much volume.
     
  18. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Cool. Didn't think to increase the boil time. I'll do that. Thanks
     
  19. BigJoeC

    BigJoeC Zealot (563) Jan 22, 2011 New Jersey

    Do you cover your boil at all? I've been covering it but keeping it slightly cracked to keep out anything from outside, ie: leaves, insects, etc.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    No. Covering it will lead to DMS. I never boil with a lid on. No reason to. If an insect managed to get in that hot steamy boil. I brew under a big covered porch, and keep the ceiling fans on, so I really only have to deal with random flys and whatnot. No leaves from the trees.

    Regardless, don't boil with your lid on. It doesn't allow DMS to boil off, and what drips back into the pot should be boiling off.
     
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