brewing concentrated extract wort

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by corbmoster, Jan 8, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
    Trader

    I know this question has been asked by people making mash. But I'm just doing extract kits. Can I brew a 5 gallon kit in 3 - 3.5 gallons of water? Post boil, let it cool a little, then toss in the primary and add enough water to reconstitute it to 5 gallons?
     
  2. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Yep. Did it every time until my latest batch because I bought a 10 gallon pot. Nothing wrong with it.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    That's actually the way most kit instructions are written, because most beginner kettles are not big enough, and because most kitchen stoves aren't hot enough for full boils.
     
  4. atrocity

    atrocity Pooh-Bah (2,264) Dec 18, 2013 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    You'll get a little less utilization out of your hops but there's nothing wrong with that. Just means you'll have to use a little more hops.
     
    corbmoster likes this.
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Except the kit maker may have taken that into consideration when designing and testing the kit recipe. IOW I wouldn't necessarily recommend that newbies take their kits and fell like they have to add more hops.
     
    ronobvious2 likes this.
  6. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Having said that, I have been able to brew up to 6 gallons of water on an electric stovetop. The pot itself is really too big for a stovetop, but it nevertheless worked. I did a full boil of 5 gallons on the stovetop with my last kit. It was not the full-on rolling boil we might like to achieve, but it was technically a boil. :slight_smile:
     
    BILF likes this.
  7. atrocity

    atrocity Pooh-Bah (2,264) Dec 18, 2013 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Certainly if the kit advises you to brew it that way then the amount of hops it lists should be correct. However, if it is meant for a 5 gallon boil and you do a 3.5 gallon boil you'll need to compensate with some additional hops.
     
  8. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Two things to keep in mind:

    1. If you're adding water to your wort, make sure it's sterilized first. In practice, this means you'll probably boil the dilution water separately from your wort, in which case you'll need to let it cool before adding. This can take a while, so give it several hours to cool off!

    2. If you have a second kettle, you could try to do a split boil. For example, put 3 gallons of water in each pot, split your ingredients evenly between them and combine at the end (or a little before the end if you think you can maintain the boil once it's going). This has the advantage of letting you cool everything together in one kettle, which is great, but it requires your kettle be bigger than 5G.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    There is no requirement to sterilize the water that is added. I have used filtered tap water many times for the addition with zero issues.

    Oh, and buy the book How to Brew by John Palmer.

    Cheers!
     
    DrMindbender, epic1856 and corbmoster like this.
  10. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
    Trader

    And I'm cool with that because I'm not a big fan of hops :slight_smile:
     
  11. BILF

    BILF Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2010 Israel

    You can even have ice in the primary that will cool down the wort and bring you up to 5 gal.
     
    corbmoster likes this.
  12. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
    Trader

    That's what I've taken from the reading I've been doing. In theory, it can introduce unwanted microbes but I'm not terribly worried. My tap water kind of sucks, so I am using bottled spring water. I'll probably start using filtered though.
     
  13. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I mean, you don't have to sterilize it, but if you don't then you're taking your chances. Seems weird to go through the trouble of sanitizing everything in the process only to ignore your water, no?
     
  14. BILF

    BILF Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2010 Israel

    "A good bet for your first batch of beer is the bottled water sold in most supermarkets as drinking water. Use the 2.5 gallon containers. Use one container for boiling the extract and set the other aside for addition to the fermenter later." from How to Brew by John Palmer.
     
  15. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Municipal tap water is sanitized. Sterilization is not necessary (you don't routinely sterilize your equipment, do you?)
     
    JackHorzempa likes this.
  16. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I actually got my initial worries about tap water from How to Brew, specifically his part on adding ice to hot wort to dilute it:

    "People often wonder about adding ice directly to the cooling wort. This idea works well if you remember a couple key points.

    • Never use commercial ice. It can harbor dormant bacteria that could spoil your beer.
    • Always boil the water before freezing it in an airtight container (like Tupperware). It must be airtight because most freezers also harbor dormant bacteria."
    I suppose that municipal tap water might be generally safe to use, but I don't know for sure. I don't bother with it either way, since I do full-volume boils at this point.
     
  17. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    ...with chlorine/chloramine that will give your beer a medicinal off flavor if not removed.

    To the OP: Using a late extract addition is a great way to counteract some of the issues that can arise when doing a concentrated boil.
     
    BILF and HerbMeowing like this.
  18. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Good point. But I was addressing the need to sterilize the water. Chlorine/chloramine will need to be dealt with regardless.
     
  19. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
    Trader

    what do you mean by late extract addition?
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Add most of your extract to the kettle later in the boil rather than at the beginning. Decreases the concentrated boil's hop utilization penalty and lessens wort darkening.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.